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BenDavis
28-02-2007, 16:57
Fishing on a budget and fished last year with particles. pigeon mix with aniseed. Was thinking of fishing the smae this year and bulking it out with vitalin and a few pellet to make it into a groundbait to catapult out or keeping it as more of a liquid to spod out if fishing at range. Watching the underwater dvd's it has shown that the fish get pre-occupied on a certain size of bait. I was tyhinking of just using chick peas, tares and maple peas and hemp in the mix withsome maize to have bigger items in the mix so they have more chance of picking the hookbait up. any ideas on this being the better method or am i going crazy and should stick to the particle mix with little seeds and stuff in.

any views would be welcome

beadey
28-02-2007, 17:04
Ben i reckon your spot on ,thought the same when i watched the DVD did it last year and caught loads,..........particals shhhhhhhhhhhhh http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

MysteryMan
28-02-2007, 17:04
Ben,

All depends on the size of fish in the water, the amount of naturals, etc. and the amount of bait/groundbait you put in.

Particles are great for 'pre-occupying' fish though and chick pea's have always worked well for me! I always used to leave them to sprout... just somethng different! Of course, make sure they are adequately prepared, i.e soaked and boiled off to save harm. I love using particles... Takes a lot of working out, where to put them and how much as opposed to the 'easy' option of sitting behind 3 or 4 rods with boilies on.

I've often caught when others have fished on boilie, just by using particles!... Beginning to sound a lot like DOGTRAMP now, eh??!!

singy
28-02-2007, 17:11
Chick peas over partiblend is a blinding combination. Cook the lot up and put the chicks in the mix, leave for a week http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Pick out the odd chick for the hookbait.

Another tip is to soak and boil the chicks in curry powder, gives them a nice dull yellow colour, use the water to soak your partiblend in.

Add pellet so it disolved in the partiblend too. Thick gooey mush that the carp will spend hours rooting over. Keep hookbaits small (single chick) and hooklengths short.

And watch the bobbins fly.

Beware of the bream though http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Medway
28-02-2007, 17:13
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Amen http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Neil73
28-02-2007, 17:15
Maize over red band pigeon conditioner has worked a treat for me over the years and its always a method I come back to when starting on a new lake when everyone else is filling it up on boilies and pellets.

thepoise_1
28-02-2007, 17:17
If you did ok last year.. its doesnt really matter what people say.
Having said that, i never use small particle only. If im making a spod mix, i will start with 3/4 different size pellets (possibly with different rates of breakdown and leakage) You can get 25k for about £16. I will then add a jar of hemp (You can buy this really cheap from somewhere like kent particles). I then add sweetcorn and a little bit of betaine green and black to mush it up a bit. Finally (I fish boilies quite a bit) i add some chopped and crushed boilies and a few whole ones too. Maybe you could try this? If you do not wish to use boilies, you can get maize really cheap too to use as your hookbait which will only compliment the sweecorn used in your spod mix.
If you want to go with 'method' style balls, you really need to use some type of quality powdered substance such as dynamite baits method mix or halibut powder and in the summer they love crazy bait gold. This is a cheaper option than using base mixes. If you do opt for the method mix, may i suggest that you use Powdered substance (as above), sweetcorn (as its nice and soft), a bit of hemp, a few pellets and something that may provide you with an edge, tuna.

I think that overall, spodding would be the most effective or even using a baiting spoon... By no means should you use a baitboat http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

acroxford7
28-02-2007, 17:27
try not to mix too many things together, just stick to two particles at a time one for baiting and one for the hook + a few freebes.

,eg. hemp & tigers
partiblend & peanuts
maplepeas & maize
and so on.

use one combo at a time, see which brings most results then stick with that one.

ive got to say ive done a bit playing around with different particles but keep coming back to the good old hemp and tigers, also im realy fussy with the quality of my hemp.

Lumphunter
28-02-2007, 19:38
And stick to bottom baits! No pop ups when baiting with / fishing over particle. Korda DVD should tell you why! Hard on the deck, where they are feeding! http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Scorpion
28-02-2007, 19:45
Hot hemp and sweetcorn = winning combo , but id stick with what worked last season fisrt .

Russkii Jim
01-03-2007, 17:29
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And stick to bottom baits! No pop ups when baiting with / fishing over particle. Korda DVD should tell you why! Hard on the deck, where they are feeding! http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Although I accept Thorpe Lea is hardly the best place to make a comparison on http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif but when using a cloudy spod there the zig rig is devastating and using the zig rig means you couldn't be further off the bottom! http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Lumphunter
01-03-2007, 21:57
Clouding mid water means you aint trying to get em in onto the the feed on the bottom. They are feeding on the suspended food in the cloud, therefor the zig works perfect. If you are prebaiting with particle on the bottom and thats where you want em to eat then bottom baits every time!

Russkii Jim
02-03-2007, 08:30
Fair enough - sounds logical to me! http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

MysteryMan
02-03-2007, 10:23
Spot on