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DanM
09-10-2005, 17:25
Right, I've been after a cheap, quality boilie for a while but haven't found what I'm after. I'm after a quality fishmeal bait, nice dark red or a white bait. But I can only order 5kg maximum at one time (due to freezer space and being 15!) and I would need it posted. Any suggestions would be muchos appreciated http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

dandysrule
09-10-2005, 17:32
Why not make your own? I'm seriously considering it, due to my avoidance of work and hence lack of funds.
Get the necessary colours and flavours from your tackle shop or via mail order, some of them are expensive but it's cheap in the long run.
Then just look at the basemixes on http://fishforcarp.com/html/fish%20mixes.htm
Fishmeal can be ordered from a lot of bait suppliers, semolina comes from the supermarket and soya flour from the health food shop.
You can roll your baits by hand or buy a rolling table if you want, and make them up fresh the night before you go.
It will certainly give you an edge as you can use flavours which nobody else uses, and can alter the shape, as fish get used to round baits.

DanM
09-10-2005, 17:39
But to get the sort of quality bait I want it doesn't work out cheaper as I can only have 5kg like I said before. But thanks anway mate http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

NoddiedUp
09-10-2005, 17:43
Why not? Just make 5kg at a time. Loads cheaper

DanM
09-10-2005, 17:45
Maybe someone who buys huge ammounts of bait (or even gets it free) could order an extra 5kg and I'd pay all the postage if there's someone kind and willing to help a young angler? http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

dandysrule
09-10-2005, 18:02
You can make a decent base mix for £2.50 a kilo. Then add the flavourings, which will be the same type as anyone else uses, and you will have boilies comparable to shop-bought ones for a hell of a lot cheaper.
Plus you can experiment and maybe even come up with a boilie that out-fishes some of the commercial brands.
Cheapest boilies I know are £4 a kilo, homemades are cheaper still and the same quality. It all depends on the quality of flavourings, base mix doesn't make so much difference.

jwallis
09-10-2005, 18:56
Base mix doesnt count,pull the other one fella http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif.

If you have the time,u donot even need a flavour off the shelf to catch.
If you are tring to establish a bait for long term use,i would not use any flavourings,except natural ingrediences,whats the point????

dandysrule
09-10-2005, 19:14
I meant a reasonable base mix can be made at home, which gives pretty much the same results to shop bought ones.
And also, shop bought flavourings with a decent basemix will create decent boilies from the off, without needing to shell out upto £10 a kilo, which is exactly what this guy is after.

jwallis
09-10-2005, 19:34
Sound as a pound my freind,lol.
Got where you are are coming from http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Allthough if he is after results long time,cut back on gimmicks,and spend on bait http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif,ie,engredience

JamesMackenzie
09-10-2005, 19:41
considering how time consuming fishing can be, do you really think cheap is a good objective on selecting bait? bearing in mind that, apart from location, bait comes in a very close second in terms of importance. maybe you cant afford 'top' bait, i dont know. but i persoanlly would rather sit there with one single, good bait than a cheap bag of rubbish. it amazes me that some anglers spend stacks of cash on all the rods,buzzers and bivvys etc, but search for a cheap bait!?! good bait or bad bait is all that should concern you. even if you only do a paper round for income, you can still get a tin of sweetcorn, which is better bait than many of the boilies out there today.

DanM
09-10-2005, 19:58
I can't afford to pay the stupid prices DT charge, I would love to get on the gear but I can't see why I should spend £10 a kg! I think it's a rip off to be honest, Someones kindly sorting something out for me now anyway. Cheers http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Oh btw, there's loads of tench in the pit, and I used corn once and they were lovin' it http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

JamesMackenzie
09-10-2005, 20:04
read my post again, you have missed my point...

Joephus
09-10-2005, 20:07
just small amounts of a quality bait such as DT could work really well, was the point. So £10 a kilo might last you a good few sessions. Not so expensive then.

daz
09-10-2005, 20:08
i usually get through a kilo in 3 sessions, each session is 2nights, but this depends if im catching and how much im catching, and i use mainline fusion which is £11 per kilo

DanM
09-10-2005, 20:11
Right, I see. But I still can't see the point in paying £10 a kg when there are baits probably just as good for half the price (I'm waiting for the DT crew to give me a beating now)

Joephus
09-10-2005, 20:11
But do you have to use 3 kilos? Could you get better results with less? Or more , but thats not the point as with differing amounts of bait you are trying to achieve different things.

tinker
09-10-2005, 20:11
dan i still think you're best bet would be to go down the particle route because wheat , hemp etc are very cheap, the carp love it then compliment it with a small amount of good shop bought or home made bait .it will work trust me http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

jwallis
09-10-2005, 20:14
Now,if my memory serves me correct,when establishing a good bait,YES,they will recognise it,but to get them ON IT,I would pile it in in given areas so that they would eat it without encountering a very sharp piece of metal,ie the hook.

When you have got them hooked ,so to speak,you can then drop ur baiting to only when you are not angling,and then only use bags etc on your fishing trips,and bait up after your session.;

Joephus
09-10-2005, 20:14
All things like amount of fish, size of fish, angling pressure, bottom make up, lake make up all can make a difference to the amount and type of bait required. A lot of things to consider.

DanM
09-10-2005, 20:18
I am Tinker, I don't like using loads of boilies, or just boilies on there own. I can get a 25kg sack of hemp for £8.95, and Parti-Blend is something like £13 for 20kg I think?

I use hemp, bloodworm and a few other little goodies with a light scattering of boilies and use a boilie for the hookbait.

DanM
09-10-2005, 20:19
Joephus - I don't use a lot of bait at all, as the fish stock is low.

cockney
09-10-2005, 20:20
I would have thought the best option would have been to find the fish and use a stringer or a bag....that way your £10 a kilo bag last's half a season ! Just my thoughts fella you dont have to go down the road of fishing over a bait mountain. I fished a water last season with nothing but single hook baits and outfished most http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif I found an area the fish patroled and stuck a single bait in front of them, it takes balls but it works.

jwallis
09-10-2005, 20:21
What is more benificial for the Cypry????/

Why not give them something that they get the most out of and encourage their weightgain

daz
09-10-2005, 20:23
cause if you put a cheap bait in front ofthem which isn't made of good ingrediants then itsgunna do the fish know good, but a better quality boilie will put more weight on the fish and keep the fish healthy

Joephus
09-10-2005, 20:24
You dont want to pay for 'expensive' boilies but are happy to pay for bloodworm? Do you feel this wonderbait adds more to your fishing than a good qualty boilie does?

DanM
09-10-2005, 20:25
Not all cheap bait is [censored] though, there are some decent baits that are FAIRLY priced, then there are others that are over priced. And not always spending £10 a kilo gets you a decent bait, theres plenty or ready made [censored] out there.

jwallis
09-10-2005, 20:27
That was the point i was trying to put across fella http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

DanM
09-10-2005, 20:28
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You dont want to pay for 'expensive' boilies but are happy to pay for bloodworm? Do you feel this wonderbait adds more to your fishing than a good qualty boilie does?

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I get it cheap http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif And it's a confidence thing init. I feel more confident having a natural in my mix.

daz
09-10-2005, 20:39
i don't always buy bait at 10quid a kilo i also get bait from 4.50 a kilo but i also use lots of other stuff like pidgeon conditioner hemp pellet, and lots of it i've used up to 100kilo in a week or i have caught on singles you should always look at the situation once there not before you get to the lake, but always have the baiton standby so if they want abit of bait they can have it

NorfolkBob
11-10-2005, 12:43
a single kilo bag of any companies bait is expensive because of the time involved in packing it and sending it to the shop. Singling out DT is pointless - all big companies are charging it. The smaller ones are doing it for less but making less money on it....

DT baits are about £7-£8 a kilo when you order a few K's (or lower with real volumes) ..... using a quality product is vital, if you cant afford the prices roll your own.... you only need to roll a few K's at a time and you can keep the rest in the bucket until you need it.

Fagin
11-10-2005, 12:54
What bait is it you actually want?

MattPilky
11-10-2005, 13:04
the same one you have... must be bloody good if you can catch on it.

NickyH
11-10-2005, 13:06
Anyone who does a fair bit of time at the bank and pays £10 for a bag of boilies is a mug...

Fagin
11-10-2005, 13:09
I just changed baits. Still cant catch fark all tho.

Carpynik
11-10-2005, 13:39
Hi Dan...have look on the CC Moores website,he has some fish catching recipeies on there...£7 a kilo on his freezer baits aint to bad.Slightly better deal on 5 kgs http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DanM
11-10-2005, 15:07
Hi Nik, I've used CCMoore a few times but not anymore as I get my particles and pellets much cheap and local so I can pick it up. I was looking at the Meteor, but I'm sorted now.

Someones kindly helped me out with a Geoff Bowers squid bait, thanks for the helpful input http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

carpfishing2005
11-10-2005, 15:34
How much you looking to spend for 5 kilos m8.

DanM
11-10-2005, 15:42
The bait I'm getting is £5 a kg mate.

carpfishing2005
11-10-2005, 15:45
Which bait is tht

Fagin
11-10-2005, 15:48
I bet its Geoff Bowers squid bait

DanM
11-10-2005, 17:39
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Someones kindly helped me out with a Geoff Bowers squid bait

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Fagin
11-10-2005, 17:41
Thats 2 competitions in 2 days!! Whats my prize?

DanM
11-10-2005, 17:58
An RMC Gold Card, it will be in the post soon.