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PAB
05-09-2005, 12:11
Can anyone help? The lake that i'm currently fishing is stuffed full with crayfish that keep eating my hookbaits. Any recommendations on how I can avoid this happening? I am using Activ-8 baits.

Cheers
PAB

Fagin
05-09-2005, 12:26
Mesh em up mate

GarethS
05-09-2005, 12:26
recommend doing a search on here, there was a thread a couple of months ago about solutions to your problem http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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QuietlyAvinEm
05-09-2005, 12:31
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Problems with crayfish

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What problems ?
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davey1
05-09-2005, 13:24
get the bait armour the stuff that you shrink works ok for me

PAB
05-09-2005, 13:31
Cheers lads, i'll give the armour a try.

Markoncarp
05-09-2005, 16:31
I wrote a really long and informative reply on this but somethign went wrong and it hasnt posted.... oh wel!!! http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif

NickyH
06-09-2005, 06:50
air dry em

rhornegold
06-09-2005, 07:43
Because the River Lea is full of Crays and I have tried all the above suggestions.

Rubber baits seem to be the answer-- glug them up with the same flavour you are using pult out plenty of free-bis fish over the Top with Rubber.

The Crays pile themselves up in a heap and attract fish to the disturbance-- its so clear on the Lea this year, you can see it happening.

Bob

foxey
06-09-2005, 09:54
i tied a bit of womans tights around my boillie which had paste wrapped round once and that worked for a while

Paul_the_Bailiff
06-09-2005, 09:58
I understand from my sources that the gusset area is the best. http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Andy1664uk
06-09-2005, 10:05
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I understand from my sources that the gusset area is the best. http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Hmmmm tuna http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Paul_the_Bailiff
06-09-2005, 10:13
I was thinking monster crab.

tyke
06-09-2005, 10:48
You could try these . . . . . . (http://www.crayfishremovaloxon.co.uk/crayfishremovals.html)

fruitx23
22-09-2005, 13:09
try hair rigging baby crays about 1-2 inches long ,mount them on the hair so that the tail just touches the bend of your hook-and a 3oz flat sided lead to hold the bait in postion.

ben_weir
22-09-2005, 14:05
Swerve anything plastic - I kid you not! as Bob said the Lea is alive with them along with many of the Lagoons at Nazeing.

Though a theory loads of people now think the [censored] home in on particular plastics i.e tubing/shrink etc.

May seem a tad obscure but can see some rational behind it!!!

rhino135
22-09-2005, 14:36
when we used to fish matches on the canal we used to get a cheap tin of dog or cat food, tie to a piece of rope and then put a load of holes in it with a nail and then drop it in the margins. this would then attract all of the little bu##ers into the side and leave swim clear. Don't forget to remove the tin at the end of play.

ben_weir
22-09-2005, 14:43
Matt you risk getting a right royal rolicking for using them as bait!!!!

SteveTheSpod
23-09-2005, 06:24
You can apply to the EA for a trapping license (and they are free), but they will apply only to one stretch of water. And yes you could have problems if you use them as bait, because once they have been removed from a water you are not allowed to return them alive in any form. http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

George Loughlin
23-09-2005, 09:46
Come to Harefield, there are one or two................................million of the little blighters in there but the bait armour shrink tube keeps them guessing for upto 12 hours.Put it over so that 90% of the bait is covered then pierce the skin to allow more flavour leakage if required.

rob9846
23-09-2005, 09:49
Am i right in thinking that alive crayfish don't like dead ones so catch a few kill the [censored] then put them around your hookbait? or is this just an old wives tale?

rob

SteveTheSpod
23-09-2005, 11:18
Chuck 'em in a liquidiser, then chuck that in with ground bait, it will certainly attract the fish.!! Although that may be difficult to do on the bank in the same day. But you could chuck them in boiling water for 5 minutes, break the tail off remove the black vain in the middle, dip into a garlic sauce and enjoy. http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

ben_weir
23-09-2005, 11:32
They dont like deads....

When I was trapping them a few years back it dawned on me that it would be self seeding to use them as bait for others.

Numbers dropped by the thousands and it seemed that the ones that were trapped had just wondered as opposed to coming to the dead crays!!

Oh those were the days of digging mass graves and liming the monsters

NorfolkBob
23-09-2005, 18:12
had crayfish tails on a pizza the other day - lovely!

rob9846
25-09-2005, 10:43
ben, so when i fish if i catch a load kill them and spread them around the baited area it should keep most away?
Selfseeding?

rob

Crispy
26-09-2005, 14:49
Getting to the time of year when they won't be such a problem due to the cold but you could try finding the area's of the lake that have a covering of silkweed (if any) and fish over that, they don't like walking on it, but the fish love feeding in it.

ben_weir
26-09-2005, 15:26
In theory surrounding your baits with deads (crays) should deter them!!

I know they weren't overly keen in getting in to the trap if baited with dead uns.

But watch for the legal implications as far as using them as bait.....or anti bait in this case.

Redtail
26-09-2005, 18:35
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In theory surrounding your baits with deads (crays) should deter them!!



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A nice, tasty high-protein meal, already opened up for an omnivorous scavenger?

I doubt it. http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Go rubber.

Mind you, if you put a good sized patch of anything meaty a few yards either side of your baited spot, that may draw them away and fill 'em up? Give you some breathing space?

SUDINIM
27-09-2005, 08:44
On a slightly different point that may well encourage you NOT too use rubber baits, whilst in South Africa we suffered with fresh water crabs..........they loved anything plastic / rubber especially hair stops.
I know whilst fishing French waters that the Crayfish always nick your hair stops and then remove your bait. Brigg'sy even superglues his hair stops to try and stop em. Maybe plastic may cause you MORE trouble ?

ben_weir
27-09-2005, 09:15
I think trapping results indicated that they weren't to keen on eating their own at all...I would say that a 99 per cent fall in success when swapping from using fish baits in the traps as opposed to dead crays would suggest this!

We were talking thousands one day to less than 50 the next....I respect to many variables to be conclusive but worth investigating

Redtail
02-10-2005, 10:11
Thanx, Ben, interesting!
Worth considering.

kingfungus
02-10-2005, 12:28
Try artificial baits. Failing that, mesh your boilies....

tyke
03-10-2005, 11:46
Talking of trapping crays I had some information from the EA recently regarding their current stance. The following is a copy of the e-mail reply I got from the Northern area.

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Andy,

Current evidence suggests that trapping is an ineffective and in some
instances detrimental way of dealing with Signal Crayfish for fishery
management.
The reason being a combination of the traps and the Signals
cannabalistic tendencies. In general the larger males consume their
own young when given the opportunity. Also the the larger males tend to
be faster at getting to bait and generally more adventurous in their
hunting habits. Therefore, trapping tends to preferentially select out
larger males. The outcome of this is that the cannabalism pressure
from large males is reduced leading to an overall increase in crafish
numbers.

Because of this the Agency in North East region does not approve
requests to trap crayfish for fisheries management.

We are currently investigating other methods, such as the use of
biocides, which although extremely destructive and time consuming,
ultimately could lead to removal of crayfish from isolated waterbodies.

Martin

Martin *********
Biodiversity Team Leader
Environment Agency

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So there we have it from the 'horses mouth' so to speak. So what do we do now . . . . just leave the little bleeders to get on with it.

Air guns in shallow water could be quite good sport, coupled with the tin of dog food trick http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

BlueOfHerts
03-10-2005, 11:53
We remove thousands (literally!) every week from one of our lakes, using fyke nets, and I've never seen them eating their own kind. Someone else told me this, but I've seen big bins full of them and our crays just don't do it.

tyke
03-10-2005, 12:08
Yeah mate I'm not saying you don't.

I thought the EA response to my questions was a bit on the soft side. I also thought they were here to help us manage the fisheries and if crays are a problem, particularily Signals, then it would not be unreasonable if we expect them them to help us sort it out. We pay enough in through our license fees. Would be interesting if any of the EA boys who visit this site would care to comment on the situation.

We don't have a major problem but on one of our lakes we have seen a couple of solitary individuals in the shallows.

Looks like the old fyke net is gonna have to go in . . . . just to catch a few livebaits for piking you understand http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

lyndon
03-10-2005, 16:03
I have been using egg albumen in my hookbaits. Dry them off and they are as hard as nails. No problem from the crays in my waters since.

ben_weir
04-10-2005, 12:51
Yeah once they are there trapping is pretty much a lot of huffing and puffing for little effect.

I have seen it on rivers where all you do by trapping them is move the problem up or down stream.

But its a choice between that and nothing then I suppose you have to give it a try.

Atleast on lakes you have a captive ordiance!!!

Through the Lee Valley there have been signals, Turkish and Louisiana swamp monsters :-)

How they are to be controlled is a massive question may be they will be knacked by the Mitten crabs that are coming upstream in some kind of alien vs predator fight night!!!