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richard_haggath
21-06-2005, 18:26
i recently spooled up with 12lb krystonite it acts loveley on the spool and in the water. however i have had 11 runs now (mostly one toners) and failed to hook a single fish. usually i fish bolt rigs (semi fixed with rig clips.) but i have tried inline also. all i have changed is the mainline hooklengths - rigs etc no difference but i have failed on two venues now to convert any runs. i get the feeling the mainline is too springy any one else had any problems with it.

frothey
21-06-2005, 18:28
they should already be hooked if its a 1 toner......

maybe they are liners, the fish cant see the line

richard_haggath
21-06-2005, 18:31
excatly what i thought but no they are definite pickups i have not even caught a bream since i spooled up with it.

Mark99
21-06-2005, 18:44
Fish one rod without a bait.... you will know then.

Mark

allibee
21-06-2005, 19:01
yes, I did have problems with it and very similar to your description. I did two things to cure it - changing the line on both my spools http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

woody71
21-06-2005, 21:41
are you sure that there is nothing wrong with your rig and that the hook is actually going into the fishes mouth, if you really do think its the line then change it on one rod and prove a point also are there a lot of tench in the water caus they sometimes have a habit of picking a bait up without the hook going in correctly and still bolting when they feel resistanc only for you to pull the bait out of there mouth when you strike.

allibee
21-06-2005, 22:06
I am a bit of an authority on tench this year, lol ... my rigs, I'm happy to report, are perfick ... especially for catching tench http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

woody71
22-06-2005, 09:47
im not trying to be critical of your rigs but i cant understand if a fish has pricked itself and is giving a one toner how the mainline can stop you feeling the fish when you strike

Lewis
22-06-2005, 09:49
It wouldnt make any difference - perhaps they are savage liners due to the lines clarrity......

Cash
22-06-2005, 10:46
You can almost guarantee that you not connecting with the fish has nothing to do with your mainline!
Either they are savage liners (and yes you do get one toners at times) or you need to look at your rigs in detail.
Cash

Fagin
22-06-2005, 12:07
LOLOL

I have the same problem, i keep getting takes but not connecting with anything.

I think its a problem with my bivvy, or maybe my shoes.

Anyone know

???

CarpingK
22-06-2005, 12:29
Does anyone else use Krystonite?
I've just started on a new water which is crystal clear...i'm using 12lb Sensor clear and can see the line for a good couple of meters from the rod tip, so was considering re-spooling with something different.
I know you can back lead, use lead core etc...but the contours of the lake bed are quite unusal, very up & down.
Any comments? http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Goose777
22-06-2005, 15:01
Try daiwa tournament in 15lb this is bright yellow and used by casters and sea anglers, the fish will see it a mile away and follow it down to your bait http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif and you shouldn't get any liners with it being so visable. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

carpers_united
22-06-2005, 16:15
Hey i remember andy little doing a article about using hi vis leaders under the impresion that the fish would investigate the bright yellow or even pink leader and follow it down to the baited area and maybe feel hungry enough to pick up your hookbait? i must say that i could never really get my head around that one but has anyone ever tried it or has there been any studies done on these kinda things

Goose777
22-06-2005, 16:51
What would spook you more, that which you can clearly see, or that which you cant ?

Gemo
22-06-2005, 19:50
Goose I had the same problem at willow park using Kristonite. Changes to Suffix excelon and problem went away. Cuaght no more fish with either line so I came to the conclusion the bites with Kristonite were liners.
I am now using Fox soft steel but I have little confidence n it and I think I will put some kristonite back on my reels. I dont know why I change anyway all it has done is cost me ££££.

gudgeonhunter
22-06-2005, 20:16
I second the theory that the fish cant see the line as well?!? http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ive never had a problem with it though http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

richard_haggath
26-06-2005, 19:06
thanks for the advice i do agree to some extent about the liners but i have witnesses on several occasions that saw the alarms go and see me strike into nothing.

the rigs i have been using are no different to what i have used previously
15lb mantis with size 6/8 fox series 2's different lengths and i never had a problem before so i am gonna spool up with a different line on one set of spools and make a comparison on a runs water i am going to in the near future.

dutchdennis
26-06-2005, 19:31
How the *** can you blame a mainline when you're not hooking fish?!?!?

richard_haggath
26-06-2005, 20:18
simply because that is the only thing i have changed so don't swear at me.

Gemo
26-06-2005, 20:45
I went throught the same self questioning process and changed very part of my set up hooks, hook lenghts, leads, etc etc and the only thing ic could have been is liners. Becuase when I changed to another type of mono the runs dramaitcally reduced and I hit and landed 95% of all rums .

richard_haggath
29-06-2005, 18:07
thanks guys gonna change

Neil73
29-06-2005, 18:53
richard I think your barking up the wrong tree. This cannot be a main line problem, but let us know how you get on.

chunkie
29-06-2005, 23:08
ive seen this happen on a water and the fella missing all these runs was going ape, a mate of mine went round to him and said look mate dont just strike straight away but lift the rod and turn your reel handle 8 or 10 times and then lift into the fish.. that day he landed every fish.

he was using a shimano 8010 and me mate uses a bigpit... http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

try it

Joephus
29-06-2005, 23:17
Could you try sticking with this line and only have a short drop on indicators and fish a tight clutch/baitrunner?

If its an odd run then fish will drive hook home against clutch, and if its some mega line bites then line will go slack afterwards as lead will of been moved closer.

steve_howard
30-06-2005, 05:20
Hi Hagz,
Personally I think it's got nothing to do with the line at all... If you're fishing 'bolt rig' fashion and have a trusted hook and rig set-up the fish will be hooked... no question! The 'situation' is where I'd look for an answer... are you fishing into or near weed? If so, it could be a simple matter that the fish are running into it and can easily 'pull' the hook on the short trace... we've all lost plenty in the weed in that manner! It really doesn't take too much, or too long, for a fish to throw the hook when 'tethered' by a 6" hook-link.
with regards to a possible remedy... try using a light lead, and/or PVA'ing the lead on, or only V. lightly push the tail rubber onto the clip.
You're only wasting your money by changing the main line IMO.
regards,
Steve

George Loughlin
30-06-2005, 08:20
I use 10lb sensor and have had a cracking season on my tricky little club water so I am somewhat sceptical about the inflated prices that these line companies are charging for their wonder products.Krystonite being one of many who seem to use their product to catch the anglers rather than the fish.
Get some normal Daiwa Sensor mate and fish with confidence.They don't come much more spooky than on my water and I have managed to winkle out nine fish to 43lb 6oz in 29 nights this season, nuff said. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

richard_haggath
01-07-2005, 19:08
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Hi Hagz,
Personally I think it's got nothing to do with the line at all... If you're fishing 'bolt rig' fashion and have a trusted hook and rig set-up the fish will be hooked... no question! The 'situation' is where I'd look for an answer... are you fishing into or near weed? If so, it could be a simple matter that the fish are running into it and can easily 'pull' the hook on the short trace... we've all lost plenty in the weed in that manner! It really doesn't take too much, or too long, for a fish to throw the hook when 'tethered' by a 6" hook-link.
with regards to a possible remedy... try using a light lead, and/or PVA'ing the lead on, or only V. lightly push the tail rubber onto the clip.
You're only wasting your money by changing the main line IMO.
regards,
Steve

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good to see you Steve.

food for thought there but i can confidently say that there was no weed where i was fishing and i had even fished the same spot before and caught no dramas. The thing i cannot figure is why it only started happening when i changed my mainline possibly cos of the fish not seeing it. when i am at my next match(nickolls) i may find that leadcore will make a difference.

i do appreciate the responses guys i am going to give it one more go and see what happens unfortunately lost fish are costing me pooints for the Army team as you well know steve.

thanks anyway guys i will endeavour and maybe fish with a spare spool of ESP carp mono i have on one reel.

steve_howard
01-07-2005, 20:59
Hmmm, the only other 'offering' I have is that it's possibly a temporary gliche... The fish aren't feeding particularly well, almost anywhere, at the moment... resulting in bad pick ups. Anyway, whatever the reason I'm pretty sure you've made the right choice in sticking with it a while longer Hagz!.. Nickolls will install a bit of confidence again if you get on em m8!

richard_haggath
02-07-2005, 14:58
thanks steve never blanked at Nickolls so lets hope it pays off for me.