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Fishboy
04-03-2005, 16:37
Could I ask for the panels help?

I'm trying to pull together some details of historic british record fish 1960's to date. Particularly for tench, bream and barbel, chub would also be useful.

Have searched the internet with little joy. Anyone know any good sites??

Thinking caps on....

Thanks in advance.

markbarrett
04-03-2005, 22:09
i would say your best bet would be the groups for those species, but as for bream you may be struggling.

www.tenchfishers.net (http://www.tenchfishers.net)
is the home of the tenchfishers and they do list the top tench, try the barbel societys website, if they have one

Fishboy
05-03-2005, 10:42
Top tench

15.03.00 6dr Darren Ward "Surrey Stillwater" * June 2001
14.08.00 Gordon Beavan Herts Lake *** Sept' 1993
14.04.00 Gary Newman Bury Lake Aug' 1994
14.03.00 Phil Gooriah Wraysbury June 1987
14.00.00 Gordon Beavan Herts Lake Sept' 1993
14.00.00 Alan Wilson Wilstone Reservoir June 1992
13.07.00 Gary Newman Bury Lake Sept' 1994
13.05.00 Paul Woodford Tring Reservoir ** June 1998
12.15.00 Gary Newman Bury Lake Sept' 1994
12.13.00 Dean Franklin Wilstone Reservoir Sept' 1995

yes I've seen this list, anyone know which have been British records??
Obviously top one current record.
The earlist one is '87, the wraysbury fish, I think this was a record. But what was the record previous to this??

Mr Newman you should know...

I'm looking for records dating back about 30-40 years

Cheers.

markbarrett
05-03-2005, 14:51
15.03.00 6dr Darren Ward "Surrey Stillwater" * June 2001

14.03.00 Phil Gooriah Wraysbury June 1987

14.00.00 Alan Wilson Wilstone Reservoir June 1992

are all former records, i think the next one down would be alan wilsons 12.08 from wilstone (?)

RTC
05-03-2005, 15:56
If you get hold of a copy of Len ArberyÂ’s first book on tench, (Catching Big Tench)
It has a list of Tench record weights from 1959 to the 80s which may help you

stone28
05-03-2005, 17:06
don't forget the 14lb beast from fishers green caught late last year http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

also i think its fred dowling who puts together the barbel records, he might be able to help

Bream_Boy
05-03-2005, 19:01
Mark, if the record was 14.03 in 1987 how could it be 14lb in 1992??

Wilstone did hold the record at one time, at 10lb+ I believe.

Mark99
05-03-2005, 21:18
The tench record in my youth (before the spectacular rise in weights) was 9lb.1oz which seemed absolutely unachievable at the time (1970's).

Before that it was 8lb.8oz from a canal I believe.

Mark

Joff
06-03-2005, 09:32
was tht frm the leicester canal?

apples
06-03-2005, 11:38
Coz its you Chris.. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Former Tench records, taken from Len Heads book, Tench...

7 lb.. Mr Stacey.. Pottery Pits, Weston-super-mare.. 1882

7 lb.. Revd Alston.. Ring Mere, Wretham, Norfolk.. 1933

7 lb 02.. B.S Dawson.. Chichester Lake, Worthing, Sussex.. 1948.

8 lb 08.. M. Foode.. Leicester Canal.. 1950.

9 lb 01.. J. Salisbury.. Eggetts Lake, Hemingford Grey.. 1963.

10 lb 01. 2.. L. Brown.. Peterborough brick pits.. 1975.

10 lb 01. 4.. T. Chester.. Wilstone Reservoir, Herts.. 1981.

10 lb 10.. J. Darville.. private pit, Herts.. 1984.

12 lb 08.11 A. Wilson.. Wilstone Reservoir, Herts.. 1985.

The book also details a couple of other captures of fish that have broken the record but not been claimed.. A 12.08 from the River Kennet in 1951 for example

If you wanna a look and your down my way.. Gimme a shout.

Fishboy
06-03-2005, 12:03
Apples you are a god, as if we ever doubted it. saved me a trip to the library.

Excellent. Many many thanks.

So thats tench, how are your collective Bream, Barbel and Chub memories?? I know it's an ask, but you did tench so well.

apples
06-03-2005, 12:41
Thats me done.. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Robeano
07-03-2005, 08:38
I think the chub record was held for ages by Bill Warren's fish from the Royalty at 7lb 6oz. Peter Stone's "Fishing for Big Chub" has a list in the back too. I'll see if I can dig it out.

Robin
ECHO

Fishboy
07-03-2005, 11:01
Robin, if you could I'd be forever in your debit.

There was a big trent fish (chub) caught be a carp angler, and wasn't there a 10lber caught from a stillwater?? Any details??

And come on you barbel boys we know you could recite the list from memory....

Gary_N
07-03-2005, 13:40
Prior to Tetley's current record it was Gordon Bevan (14-7 i think it was accepted at), and before that Phil Gooriah's Wraysbury fish of 14-3. Before that though I'm not really sure.
Gary

Fishboy
07-03-2005, 14:48
BARBEL (Barbus barbus):
17 lbs 8 ozs 15 drms Stuart Morgan 11th December 2000 River Great Ouse, Bedfordshire.
17 lbs 13 ozs 14 drms Stuart Morgan 20th December 2000 River Great Ouse, Bedfordshire.
19 lbs Tony Gibson 4th January, 2001 from River Great Ouse Buckinghamshire.
19lb 6oz Steve Curtin Oct 2001 Great Ouse
20lb 6oz Tony Gibson Oct. 2004 Great Ouse

What have I got wrong / missed out?? What about previous records? The Severn fish? The Medway? who's memory goes further back??

Billyo
07-03-2005, 16:30
Ray Walton should be in there somewhere too.

Previous to the Ouse fish I think the Avon record of 15lb+ (4oz?) heald it for years.

Could be wrong though http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bill.

Garth
07-03-2005, 16:55
Previous to the Ouse fish, Ayron Tyson (spelling) held the barbel record with a fish of 14lb 6oz from the Royalty in 1934. This was subsequently broken by Bertie the big medway fish several times, which reached a weight of over 16lb, before being beaton by Howard maddocks severn fish of 16lb +.

Think thats nearly right http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gary_N
07-03-2005, 16:56
Think the Avon fish was 14-4 (Martin Hooper i think, but think there were also a couple of others of the same size, the Rev. Tryon rings a bell)
Then there were several records from the Medway, not sure of exact weights. Then Howard Maddocks 16-2 from the Severn. Think this was then broken by the Wensum fish which went as big as 16-6 (not sure how many times it was caught over the record), before the Great Ouse fish took over.

Garth
07-03-2005, 17:03
Lol, at least some of our simultaneous information was the same http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Fishboy
07-03-2005, 18:00
14lb 6oz Aaron Tyson Avon Royalty 1934
16lb 2 oz Pete Woodhouse Medway 1994
16lb 3oz Howard Maddocks Severn Nov 1997
16lb 6oz Steve Keer Wensum Aug 1998
17lb 3oz Ray Walton Great Ouse 1999
17lb 8oz 15 drms Stuart Morgan Great Ouse 11th Dec 2000
17lb 13oz 14 drms Stuart Morgan Great Ouse 20th Dec 2000
19 lbs Tony Gibson Great Ouse 4th Jan 2001
19lb 6oz Steve Curtin Great Ouse Oct 2001
20lb 6oz Tony Gibson Great Ouse Oct. 2004

I can't find any confirmation of the 1934 Royalty record, or anything inbetween.... as miss pitstop would say 'Halp halp'

Mark99
07-03-2005, 19:06
Almer Tyron

Mark

Billyo
07-03-2005, 20:05
Oh yes, that famous Campbelll meatball fish from the severn http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bill.

Fishboy
07-03-2005, 20:16
thread 4 or 5 on the line at once wasn't it....

John_H
08-03-2005, 08:02
Wasn't the old 14-6 record shared by 2 or 3 different fish from the Royalty ? Bigger fish - between 16 and 17lb - were caught from time to time in the lower and middle Avon between the 1950s and late 1970s by spring Salmon anglers but they were never recognised as British records because foul hooked and/or out of season.

Robeano
08-03-2005, 08:42
Re: Chub. There was a 10lber from the River Annan in Scotland caught by Dr Cameron in the 1950's. He subsequently fed it to his cats! It was accepted as the record for a while but when the record lists were re-examined (1960's?) it was removed as there was insufficient evidence for it.

I forgot to look up the list last night in Peter Stone's book but I'll pop home at lunchtime and copy out the list.

Robin
ECHO

Mark99
08-03-2005, 09:23
What about Joe Day's 13.6 barbel?

Which record list are we talking about anyhow!

Mark

Fishboy
08-03-2005, 10:30
Joe Day's 13.6 barbel?? when and where??

cheers....

Robeano
08-03-2005, 13:59
Right, I have Peter Stone's chub list in front of me. Please bear in mind that this was published in 1983 so won't include any records after then. Also, this is an edited list as there are a number of large, but dubious captures which were never records.

10lb 13oz P Morgan, River Wye, 1981. No record claim entered.

10lb 8oz Dr J Cameron, River Annan, 1955. Accepted as the record between 1955 and 1968 when it was removed from the list. Taken on a fly and witnessed by several salmon anglers.

8lb 8oz A. Smith, Blyth, Aug 1980. No record claim was made as fishery rules demanded an immediate return of the fish.

8lb 1oz M. Townsend, River Thames, Feb 1982. No record claim made as the captor did not want to damage the fish. Four witnesses.

7lb 6oz Bill Warren, Hants Avon, 1957. Accepted as the British record after the 1968 reshuffle. Was still the record in 1983 when the book was published.

As for records since 1983 the Chub Study Group could probably help.

Robin
ECHO

John_H
08-03-2005, 14:46
I think this was another Royalty fish that was accepted as the record after the 1968 revisions referred to above. Some of the fish removed from the record list in that big sweep up may well have been genuine, like the 47lb Loch Lomond pike and at least one of the 14lb 6oz Royalty Barbel. But others, like the 7lb Scottish grayling, were total myths - get outa here, there never has been and never will be a 7lb grayling in any British river !

Of course none of this will mean anything at all to anglers under the age of 45, and it's really only of passing interest even to us heritage anglers who aren't anally retentive http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BROOKS
31-03-2005, 14:39
John Bailey and Roger Miller wrote a bream book a few years ago. I seem to remember several different record fish being mentioned in there. I will take a look when I get home.

Fishboy
02-04-2005, 20:52
cheers any info still greatfully recieved.

retentive maybe, but this is for science !!!

Anyone know anything about previous barbel records?? pref pre the medway fish....

sir Ian W - must know this sort of stuff off by heart....

thank you thank you thank you

John_H
04-04-2005, 09:55
Maybe worth a quick read of The Nature Of Barbel by Nick Giles ? Some interesting stuff about big barbel from the Avon which were over the old record size but never counted as caught out of season by salmon fishers.

BROOKS
04-04-2005, 15:57
Sorry, I forgot that I have packed most of my books away due to an impending house move. Unfortunately that one is in a box somewhere in the garage at the moment.