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washinpowder
04-05-2004, 18:37
im a bit confused about rmc policies about night fishing because if you are under 16 you class as a junior, but if you are older then you class as an adult, and all the night fishing tickets are for adults so does this mean that 16 year olds can night fish?

someone please clear this up for me, and maybe make it a bit clearer on the website

daz
04-05-2004, 21:00
if you have an adult ticket you can night fish i think, junior ticket you can't unless accumpanied by an adult.

Tony
05-05-2004, 07:52
Sounds right to me. You would also need a ticket that allows night fishing.

Tony

MartinJ
05-05-2004, 11:35
<<14)A person who is a Junior Permit Holder (being under the age of sixteen years on the date on which he obtained his current permit) must at all times up until the date of his fourteenth birthday be accompanied when on Company property by a permit holder who is over eighteen years of age, who shall be responsible for the conduct and safety of the Junior Permit Holder. A Junior Permit Holder above the age of fourteen years is allowed unaccompanied on the property of the Company covered by his permit during the hours of daylight only provided that the terms of these rules (and in particular Rule 13) have first been brought to his attention by a parent or guardian. Junior Permit Holders are not allowed on Company property during the hours of darkness unless accompanied by a permit holder who is over eighteen years of age and who will be responsible for his safety and behaviour. Accompanied means that the Junior Permit Holder is in the same or adjoining swim to the Adult responsible for him. <<

Please correct me if I'm wrong but this is the way that I see it.

It doesn't say that Juniors can't night fish, it states that they must be accompanied (in the same or adjoining swim) by someone over 18 at night. I assume a night ticket for a junior would be at reduced cost.

I'm not sure if a junior night season ticket is available but you can use your day season ticket and an additional one night ticket.

Alternatively, if you are not a member, get your accompanying adult (member) to buy you a guest ticket for the day you arrive, one for the night and one for the next day.

tyke
05-05-2004, 12:32
Martin,

The crack is that juniors can fish nights, providing the above conditions are met, but they must purchase the night ticket at full cost.

I questioned this some time ago and there are no concessions for juniors fishing nights.

washinpowder
05-05-2004, 15:55
so as a 16 year old, if i bought a night fishing ticket, can i night fish with another person that is 16? because that still hasnt been answered since we class as adults not juniors, i know all that about being accompanied by an adult if your a junior, but i class as an adult, im so confused http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

tyke
05-05-2004, 16:05
Hi fella,

I think Mr Welch needs to qualify the position regarding 'juniors' and night fishing if under 18 years.

Ian?

MartinJ
05-05-2004, 17:14
>>as an adult, im so confused http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif>>

http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Pretty sure you can do nights on your own if you hold an adult ticket. If your 16 year old mate has an adults ticket too theres no reason why you can't fish together .
(still waiting to be shot down http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

garyrfc
05-05-2004, 19:33
The way i see it Adult ticket,Adult rules
if its wrong Ian would have replyed by now surly
god you can get married,fulltime job,nooky smoke all legle
Gary http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

tyke
06-05-2004, 08:38
So are we saying that at 16 years you are classed as an adult, with respect to paying adult fees, but still not allowed to fish alone at night unless accompanied by an adult member over the age of 18 in which case the accompainied 'young adult' will still have to fish the same or adjoining swim as the person responsible for them ?

MartinJ
06-05-2004, 09:09
a 16 year old with an adults ticket can fish nights unsupervised but cannot supervise a junior until he's 18 years old

tyke
06-05-2004, 10:12
Cool - that makes sense now Martin - only another twelve months then and young Josh can fish where he wants - without pestering me all night http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks for clarifying the situation http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

singy
06-05-2004, 10:31
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young Josh can fish where he wants

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Look out Yateley http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

tyke
06-05-2004, 10:37
http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif - Now don't be like that Singy - http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

singy
06-05-2004, 11:15
You know I'm only pulling your leg http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

tyke
06-05-2004, 11:21
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washinpowder
06-05-2004, 18:29
thanx alot to the people who have replied and i am so grateful i can abuse my night fishing privelages all summer while school is out. although ive got to get a job to pay for the fishing stuff http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif when my arm is out of plaster im gunna be up yateley.

thanx again http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

washinpowder
10-05-2004, 14:55
bit of a kick in the groin after trying to book a ticket and finding out you need an over 18 surpervising you even though i class as an adult, so surely this should mean we still either get to pay junior prices or there should be something in between the costs. we shouldnt have to pay as an adult if we cant fish as 1

tyke
10-05-2004, 15:40
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bit of a kick in the groin after trying to book a ticket and finding out you need an over 18 surpervising you even though i class as an adult

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But MartinJ says:-

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a 16 year old with an adults ticket can fish nights unsupervised but cannot supervise a junior until he's 18 years old

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So just what is your problem - can you explain?

Woody69
10-05-2004, 15:45
I think his problem is when he bought a ticket as he was 16+ he has had to pay for an adult ticket. He has then asked for a night fishing ticket and they have said that anyone under the age of 18 needs to be accompanied by someone who is 18+. Which would mean MartinJ is incorrect in what he has written.

I think he feels hard done by the fact he has to pay the price of an adult yet is not given the responsibility to be able to fish on his own overnight - and rightly so IMO. Why should he be forced to pay adult prices, but not be given the responsibility?

tyke
10-05-2004, 15:51
Woody mate - thats what I thought.

The thread covered these issues earlier and we thought we had it sorted that a 16/17 year old paid adult prices and could fish alone etc but could NOT be responsible for a junior under 16years old.

I have an interest since I have a 15 year old who fishes with me. I just want to know where we stand. When we night fish I still have to purchase an adult ticket at adult prices for him.

MartinJ
10-05-2004, 16:46
Help! we need a response from Ian. We need an answer to the specific question:-

Can a 16 year old with an adult ticket fish at night unescorted?

I always thought they could but the rules are ambiguous. Presumably the holder of an adult ticket is not governed by rules that apply to juniors. The exception being that under 18's cannot be responsible for juniors.

singy
10-05-2004, 16:55
Can't he just pretend to be 18? http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Of course that would be dishonest and we can't condone that, and may get him into trouble if a baliff did ask for proof of age. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

washinpowder
10-05-2004, 21:39
http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif at least im not the only one annoyed by this rule, i can hack it on other waters where an adult is 18 and then they have intermediaes which a medium charge or just junior at a lower charge, but really, this is just confusing, besides, it doesnt even mention any of this stuff on the website.

tyke
11-05-2004, 08:50
Thank you Ian - that clears that up then.

Washinpowder - you've had it mate - unless you find someone to supervise you.

You have my sympathies young man http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

washinpowder
11-05-2004, 15:02
well at least its been sorted out now

http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif anyone willing to supervise 2 16 year olds on a night fishing session?

ALH
13-05-2004, 09:58
Washinpowder

You have my sympathy (not that it's much use to you). I think that's a pretty poor way to treat you guys. If you have to pay the full adult price at 16 you should get the same rights to fish as an adult. This isn't a small difference we're talking here, afterall how many adults (over 18) out there would feel not being able to nightfish to be a minor inconvenience. A 16 year old is keeping his side of the deal by paying full wack so RMC should keep their side of the bargain by letting him nightfish. It isn't just people below 18 that mess around when they're night fishing. Supervision isn't really an issue as everyone on a lake has a rsponsibility to ensure that people using that lake are acting responsibly. And anyway a 16 year old with the intention of causing a nuisance is hardly going to choose a responsible adult to supervise him.

If I was you mate I'd nightfish where you want, and if anyone asks your age it's eighteen. Fish with consideration and there is no issue whatever your age.

ALH
13-05-2004, 11:55
If they're not paying full adult rate then my comment re that wasn't valid and you have a point. Discounted rate but no night fishing seems fair, I had the impression this wasn't the case.

If they are paying full rate on a syndicate then I still think they should be entitled to a full service. If numbers are limited and budgets set then this implies budgetry pre planning. In which case why not plan for a limited number of Junior tickets allocated within the syndicate at a discounted rate, seeing as they are not getting the same benefits as adults.

As for telling (not really an instruction but I get your point) someone to lie about they're age. I'm not condoning law breaking I'm merely stating what I'd probably do in that situation. Maybe a similarly ambiguous statement would be something like, 'I've never used a barbless hook regardless of where I'm fishing and what the rules say'

Oh well, I must be one of a small band of hard core rebels who unlike you did things like buy a pint of beer in a pub before I was 18 http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif