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miller
20-01-2004, 10:37
......average carper !!


Lets bear in mind that the "average angler" probably goes fishing once every 2 weeks, or perhaps once a month.

What would you recommend ?

fishydave
20-01-2004, 10:38
A Mainline frozen ready made

miller
20-01-2004, 10:40
Please quantify your suggestion.

DeanOr
20-01-2004, 10:42
Corn

Banto
20-01-2004, 10:43
I wasnt going to be quite as specific as 'a mainline frozen readymade' but i was going to go along the lines of something 'tried and tested' my choice would be a mainline frozen ready made though, and then something like tigers and some trouties of some description. Or if you can find out what the other, more regular anglers are using on the lake, maybe get yourself some of that (as long as they are catching of course!)

miller
20-01-2004, 10:43
Nice bait, but what about nuisance fish?

singy
20-01-2004, 10:46
Chick peas and black eyed beans (cheap, easy to prepare, instantly acceptable, not used much and proven catchers of carp)

Singy

DeanOr
20-01-2004, 10:47
Your average angler might appreciate the nuisance fish bit of action Tench / Bream etc.. Use Fakies on the hook

By feeding the nusiance fish is sure to get a response from the carp IMO bringing them in and moving em out.. Just need patience

miller
20-01-2004, 10:48
Your logic is sound.
Lets face it, if you're only fishing every few weeks, there is no way you're going to establish a bait. So is a "food bait" really the way to go? Could attractor baits be more suitable ?

miller
20-01-2004, 10:52
If the average carper is on the bank for his standard fortnightly session, i doubt if he wants to be wading through bream and tench. Even if their feeding can be useful, he hasn't got the time to keep having his baited area disrupted.

cheshirecarper
20-01-2004, 10:53
bread !!

sweetcorn

Luncheon meat

sorry thats my lunch for today http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif eeeeerrrrrr must be a frozen boilie of some sort !! with a bit of plastic corn for good measure http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

fishydave
20-01-2004, 10:54
Just use a boilie for god sakes! http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

A mainline one..........

DeanOr
20-01-2004, 10:58
Yes but in the long run can he afford to be average and follow the crowd his catches will suffer for it.. Be different is what i am trying to say and this is a bait i would be different to most in using.. Saying that i am not average http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The average angler needs to learn to think off their own backs

Itsamirror
20-01-2004, 10:59
Keep plugging FD, you bound to get a discount......LOL

fishydave
20-01-2004, 10:59
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Yes but in the long run can he afford to be average and follow the crowd

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How do i know, the blokes make believe http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

apples
20-01-2004, 11:01
semo/ soya/ course birdfood/ with a glug of something like tutti frutti, and a dollop of sweetner.

Nice instant attractor bait.

carpiusdegreat
20-01-2004, 11:02
There's two approaches 1 Obviously be deferent
or two find out what most r using on the lake use the same and let other establish the biat for u. cheeky but even cheaper and more obvious the point one http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

DeanOr
20-01-2004, 11:02
LOL

But he is average so there must be more than one he is in the Average group

Lewis
20-01-2004, 11:06
Dave should know what an average carper uses....LMFAO....

though to look at he doesnt look average..... looks can be decieving... http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Banto
20-01-2004, 11:07
"there is no way you're going to establish a bait. So is a "food bait" really the way to go? Could attractor baits be more suitable ?

the experience ive had with baits such as activ-8 is that they are just as readily accepted as an 'attractor bait' . they still pong to high heaven (esp. the maple-8), they just smell of food thats all, not something synthetic. I think that from the off, a 'food' bait is going to be just as appealing to a carp, even if you havent pre baited for months on end. plus, chances are the lakes probably already seen some of the more popular baits (ie trigga, activ-8 etc etc)

fishydave
20-01-2004, 11:11
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Dave should know what an average carper uses....LMFAO....

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that must make you a 5hit angler then Lew http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

singy
20-01-2004, 11:12
Now now ladies, let's keep to the thread

miller
20-01-2004, 11:17
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How do i know, the blokes make believe

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....no, he's not....he's called Fred http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Time wise i'm an average carper http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif For anglers like me i'm thinking that boilie wise, an out and out food bait isn't the way forward, despite what we all read in the magazines.
Reading a thread already on the forum about the B5, has got me thinking. I agree with others comments about the over the top smell. Long term i wouldn't be interested in this bait. But for the average carper, could this be the perfect bait. Good attractor profile, with a food value base mix.

carpiusdegreat
20-01-2004, 11:18
If u want instant success go high atract but over a season food will always catch more but not as quick off the bat. But even that depends on the lake ur fishing. Talk about can of worms. Now May be Worms could help http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

apples
20-01-2004, 11:24
Exactly.
And the 'average' angler on this once a fornight session wont be applying the bait in enough quantity to 'blow' the bait quickly.
Chances are all he cares about are instant results.

jonmiller
20-01-2004, 11:24
i would probabley go with fishy and use a mainline boilie,perhaps the active or the maple as most waters have seen a mainline boilie at one time or another,and they def catch fish,! http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

miller
20-01-2004, 11:34
Apples,
Do you think then, that most carpers would benefit from using an attractor bait of sorts?
Like you say the weekend angler doesn't apply it in the quanties required to "blow" the bait.

apples
20-01-2004, 11:37
If he doesnt care about giving the fish a nutritional food, then yeah, i think an overflavored, high leekage ball of [censored] will bring the most instant results for him... http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

EDITED:
With the added bonus that if he makes it himself, it will cost about the price of a second class stamp... http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

miller
20-01-2004, 11:41
http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Most carpers want to catch....fact. There will always be food baits going into the water, so i'm sure the carp won't suffer too much.

Seb
20-01-2004, 12:18
Slightly confused here.... Banto and fishydave, FROZEN READY MADES......... why are you freezing ready made boilies.... doh... surely you mean Mainline Frozen range and/or Mainline Ready Made's....

fishydave
20-01-2004, 12:45
A snippet from the Mainline website for you Seb

""Mainline's exclusive fresh frozen range of ready made boilies are a selection of our finest dedicated base mixes and ingredients.""

= frozen readymades http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Phil_Appleby
20-01-2004, 13:04
What about a bag of frozen tuttis? http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif Job done and if you can use a third stick fish some 'rami in a bag...

BreamKing
20-01-2004, 13:25
B5 or Activ-8 - worked everywhere I've ever used them and instantly too. For the last couple of seasons I have only managed every other week at best so then I probably would fit into this 'average angler' category and I have caught a few.

The Activ-8 has the benefit of having loads put in previously, but now nobody uses it because everybody dropped it (even though they were catching) to get on the latest mainline 'wonder bait'. The B5 is the opposite where nobody seems to use it so it gets accepted readily by the carp.

Seb
20-01-2004, 13:44
Ok, but it still does not make sence.... the whole point of Ready Made's is that they are shelflife, hence they do not need to be frozen to preserve the life of the boilie....

Smarts
20-01-2004, 13:46
Nah.........they're all 'Ready - Made'...don't you think?

Or do you buy your boilies in a Airfix kit?!! http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

fishydave
20-01-2004, 13:49
Eh! lol
Readymades are readily made! They can be frozen or shelflife
lol lol lol http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cash
20-01-2004, 13:51
HBS new Nut Mix or Indian Spice, works everywhere without the need to establish it first, an attractor bait with the added bonus of being a food source! http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Oh and they are frozen - not shelf-life but of course they are readymade! http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Other than that get on the Tiggers or Maples.
Cash

Seb
20-01-2004, 14:21
Latest range from Mainline.... slowlymade and fastmade boiles, to compliment the readymade one's,...lol

apples
20-01-2004, 14:23
they sell un-made baits as well.. and thats where it gets really confusing http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Seb
20-01-2004, 14:26
Would that be Frozen un-made bait........lol http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DeanOr
20-01-2004, 14:47
Frozen unmade readymade bait

What the **** are you lot on about

Itsamirror
20-01-2004, 14:52
Keep plugging away Cash.......LOL

ROLFIE
20-01-2004, 14:55
Terrible wasnt it....how it just slipped in there....LOL... http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

cheshirecarper
20-01-2004, 14:56
science Dean its all science !!

they will coem up with waterproof unfrozen partially made shelf life with whole crabs and mussels for added texture http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

BreamKing
20-01-2004, 14:57
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Would that be Frozen un-made bait

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Yes they sell it, its called paste http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

This is getting silly now........ http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

singy
20-01-2004, 15:00
Stop being silly and get back to the thread or you can all go and stand in the corridor and wait for Mr Welch

Cash
20-01-2004, 15:09
LOL
Maybe so, but it is what I use - so why not put my pennies worth into the discussion. It would be wrong to mis-lead people by saying something that I don't personally use.

If I used something else I'd say.

Many have said that they reccomend Mainline, which is a pukka bait. Why would I say the same if I don't use it?????

Strange you lot at times. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Cash

Archie
20-01-2004, 15:14
Liquid bait. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Seb
20-01-2004, 15:17
Cash, I think youv'e got the wrong end of the stick mate......
No one has said anything derogatrey about mainline baits.... we have just been debaiting about Frozen Ready some thing or others.... lol...... its all a bit of a laugh and a bit light hearted...

matt_scarbs
20-01-2004, 15:19
Im suprised....wheres the mention of Nashbait? Top stuff in my opinion.

Seb
20-01-2004, 15:30
why ...... do they do Frozen Ready Mades...lol http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

scaley
20-01-2004, 15:46
Best bait for the Average carper,who goes maybe once a month and dosen't care about Nutrition etc,etc,etc,,
Just there to hopefully have instant success ??

ANSWER

Richworth Tutti's http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

(and maybe some hemp)

Caught loads on these doing day sessions and evening sessions on you'r average day ticket lakes...
IMO the most instant attract bait i have ever used.

john_C_ukCarper
21-01-2004, 20:43
Tails up Pro-liver all the way mate Job Done!!