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David Brett
28-06-2012, 20:02
Anyone thought of a reverse zig rig? Always thinking of why you should pop a bait up 2/3rd in the water, why not suspend it under a controller 1/3 of the way down.

Also saves the issue of having a lead dangling all that way off a fighting fish.

Yes there will be issues with line drift and lay, and you need to look at a float - but seems a reasonable idea - similar to the pellet waggler approach i suppose.

Any views??

matt1991
28-06-2012, 20:04
Seems a good idea in principle, but I have always seen the carp come down to take a zig rather than move up in the water column, saying that I'm sure a reverse zig would work.

David Brett
28-06-2012, 20:07
in order to come down, they must have gone up!

msc 63
28-06-2012, 20:10
Ain't that called float fishing?

DeanOr
28-06-2012, 20:13
Lol

David Brett
28-06-2012, 20:13
I'll stick with reverse zig i think, you heard it here first people!

leighlawrence
28-06-2012, 20:16
is this a serious question?

David Brett
28-06-2012, 20:20
why not, how many times have you seen a carp mouth a bubble float but ignore baits and then move off, just use a fluoro link down to a suspended boilie, tiger nut etc, and you could be in. Bait would be in the same place as a bottom up zig and no need for expensive pop ups.

leighlawrence
28-06-2012, 20:21
but its just float fishing no? am i missing something?:bonk:

David Brett
28-06-2012, 20:24
well yes, if you want to be pedantic, but how many people have you seen do it?

2 a penny on commercials, but on normal stocked carp waters? Not many i would hazzard a guess.

msc 63
28-06-2012, 20:27
Think you mite have just reinvented the wheel Bravo :clap:

leighlawrence
28-06-2012, 20:29
yes i agree but when younger i used to outcatch my step dad fishing off the bottom on the canal. Its not a method you could use for days on end and the 'modern' carper wouldnt use it imo. Good for stalking tho.

The idea of the zig is exactly that reason. Because it can be fished for hours on end in that way because it is effective.

essexandy
28-06-2012, 20:30
I remember one old boy (he seemed it at the time) doing this with luncheon meat over thirty years ago on a lake I used to fish and he caught plenty. He just used to clip on a bobbin as if he was ledgering and let the bubble drift about whilst float fishing with his other rod.

RealTreeGimp
28-06-2012, 20:31
I've just invented the sinking zig - works best with a nice short link...

David Brett
28-06-2012, 20:34
you are samsung to my ipad

RealTreeGimp
28-06-2012, 20:51
Ipad...very retro

bigupgazza2009
28-06-2012, 20:56
wow,float fishing for carp... great idea.:notworthy:

cashybai
28-06-2012, 21:36
Have a look in 'Carp strikes Back', sure it was hutchy had a twin hook rig for floating crust with a second hook baited with paste to simulate a lump broken off 'n sinking...

coldcatcher
29-06-2012, 06:34
:lol: Float fishing for carp...whatever next..

Putney
29-06-2012, 06:37
Ain't that called float fishing?

Beat me to it!

29-06-2012, 06:49
the very first carp I caught was on a grain of corn suspended two foot below a perch bobber float from woolworths in four foot of water; this was 1971.
Never realised at the time that I wasn't just "noddying around" but actually "reverse zigging"...makes me feel very proud :)

essexandy
29-06-2012, 07:22
And a zig rig just used to be known as an anchored bait, nothing much is new in angling.

Joephus
29-06-2012, 07:52
Float fishing??!?!?!

Renamed for Total carp - The reverse zig rig.

Bal
29-06-2012, 08:45
It'll never catch on

Mant
29-06-2012, 09:40
the very first carp I caught was on a grain of corn suspended two foot below a perch bobber float from woolworths in four foot of water; this was 1971.
Never realised at the time that I wasn't just "noddying around" but actually "reverse zigging"...makes me feel very proud :)

The [email protected] rig - it's got a ring to it:)

TomWaltonCarper
29-06-2012, 11:38
lol.........comments cracking me up

only issue is as mentioned line lay and drift, plus when you have a group of carp who are cagey, the presence of a line on the surface and the float itself is enough to put them off, whereas a zig fished correctly has only the line ascending from the bottom, and it also allows you to spod/free bait over the top without effectiving what would be a float drifting across the surface

kevan67
29-06-2012, 13:02
Spodcopter

Been done by adding a hook length to the spod when using a sloppy mix as you would zig fishing. Kev Hewitt did an article in one of the rags on this.

They caught a few fish on Brasenose using this method.

TomL
29-06-2012, 15:50
LOL ! Behave !

roberta
29-06-2012, 15:59
Anyone thought of a reverse zig rig? Always thinking of why you should pop a bait up 2/3rd in the water, why not suspend it under a controller 1/3 of the way down.

Also saves the issue of having a lead dangling all that way off a fighting fish.

Yes there will be issues with line drift and lay, and you need to look at a float - but seems a reasonable idea - similar to the pellet waggler approach i suppose.

Any views??

What about calling a floating bait being used with a controller a Floating Zig Rig ?

willowsage
29-06-2012, 16:06
Er, maybe not. Zig Gregorek didn't popularise float fishing, or floater fishing, he popularised fishing an anchored pop up high in the water column i.e. "the Zig rig".

Notice I dd not fall into the trap of saying "invented" ;)

RealTreeGimp
29-06-2012, 17:02
the very first carp I caught was on a grain of corn suspended two foot below a perch bobber float from woolworths in four foot of water; this was 1971.

Fairplay, I never knew Woolworths had carp in it..let alone four feet of water!

leighlawrence
29-06-2012, 17:27
Fairplay, I never knew Woolworths had carp in it..let alone four feet of water!

it has now...

29-06-2012, 22:22
Fairplay, I never knew Woolworths had carp in it..let alone four feet of water!

oh yeah !! the pick'n'mix was a really good feeding area....almost garuantee a bite round there:D

bigcarper
30-06-2012, 00:05
Love the replys, really cracked me up lol

Mr_R
30-06-2012, 05:47
Weres Dave the OP gone???

David Brett
30-06-2012, 12:56
I like the bit about not having a float or controller on the surface if carp are spooky, then saying you can spod over the top??? Doh!!

get off the bedchair and give it a go...you might be surprised.

I caught my biggest carp with a float, no weights and a big lump of breadflake slowly sinking, tight up against lily pads - proper fishing

Rez
30-06-2012, 15:44
I like the bit about not having a float or controller on the surface if carp are spooky, then saying you can spod over the top??? Doh!!

get off the bedchair and give it a go...you might be surprised.

I caught my biggest carp with a float, no weights and a big lump of breadflake slowly sinking, tight up against lily pads - proper fishing

Caught on a 'Zig' over 20 years ago, pop-up off the lead, only about a foot. It worked.

Also caught using this idea. Carp were being really spooky on top and not fancying the crust off the top. So a bit of flake about 18 inches under the surface. Amongst a load of floaters, mimicing bread that has sunk, basically. It also worked. Go try it.

(but it is float fishing in essence)