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lardbelly
16-09-2010, 09:26
I'm working on a groundbait to take with me on future trips. The main criteria are that it must work without being boiled and be cheap(ish). My current thought is, equal parts (volume) of
Pidgeon conditioner
Groats
Vitalin
all soaked for 18-24 hours in water with liquid mollases.

IS THIS SAFE and can anybody suggest anything else/alternative to improve this.

Cheers

jeames
16-09-2010, 11:18
I'm working on a groundbait to take with me on future trips. The main criteria are that it must work without being boiled and be cheap(ish). My current thought is, equal parts (volume) of
Pidgeon conditioner
Groats
Vitalin
all soaked for 18-24 hours in water with liquid mollases.

IS THIS SAFE and can anybody suggest anything else/alternative to improve this.

Cheers

regarding all particles, i know groats, pigeon conditioner dont take too long to cook, i would just boil the water, pour into the container with it all in, and then stick a tight lid on to seal. preferably a day before due to use it. that way you are not stood at the cooker for hours on end either.

very safe like this

jcbenson
16-09-2010, 11:27
jeames,

I think the problem that lardbelly is conveying is that when you are using vast quantities of particle baits abroad, using boiling water is not practical.

Ccmoore do a range of "spod mixes" which require just water adding to the bucket.

Vitalin is fine with just water adding to it. I think pigeon conditioner is probably debatable - I would think partiblend is better (smaller seeds).

I believe you can also soak flaked maize (the flattened stuff) in water without heating.

ccmoore also list crushed peanuts and cracked maize as ok for soaking only.

watto
16-09-2010, 11:33
Pigeon Conditioner needs soaking and boiling. You need to boil any germs out of the seeds it's not just about expansion.

Flaked (Micronized) maize needs no boiling due to the heat treatment it gets to get it to the flaked stage so as yoiu mention is a good bet. It's about 6 for a 20KG sacks so is good value also.

guybaxendale
16-09-2010, 11:45
Lardbelly do you want a mix that requires no boiling time or a mix that requires no boiling water at all?

You options will be far more interesting if you are prepared to sit boiling the kettle and pouring it on you mix. Even more so if you are prepared to take a cool box with you.

jeames
16-09-2010, 12:10
jeames,

I think the problem that lardbelly is conveying is that when you are using vast quantities of particle baits abroad, using boiling water is not practical.

Ccmoore do a range of "spod mixes" which require just water adding to the bucket.

Vitalin is fine with just water adding to it. I think pigeon conditioner is probably debatable - I would think partiblend is better (smaller seeds).

I believe you can also soak flaked maize (the flattened stuff) in water without heating.

ccmoore also list crushed peanuts and cracked maize as ok for soaking only.

yes i know what hes saying......all he has to do, is prepare one lot before he goes out there, then he can prepare the rest as he goes.
easy if its the mix above really, like i say, just boil the water and let it soak....how easy is that...home or abroad.

jcbenson
16-09-2010, 12:54
yes i know what hes saying......all he has to do, is prepare one lot before he goes out there, then he can prepare the rest as he goes.
easy if its the mix above really, like i say, just boil the water and let it soak....how easy is that...home or abroad.

Its not easy boiling 25+ litres of water a day on the bank (and thats whats needed sometimes). Especially when abroad - you have to start carting stock pots (you cant exactly boil 100 kettles worth...), and numerous gas cartridges (and there's limits on what you can take abroad).

Thats why soaked-only particles are the only practical option sometimes.

watto
16-09-2010, 12:58
Its not easy boiling 25+ litres of water a day on the bank (and thats whats needed sometimes). Especially when abroad - you have to start carting stock pots (you cant exactly boil 100 kettles worth...), and numerous gas cartridges.

Thats why soaked-only particles are the only practical option sometimes.

+1

Having done it many times, it's a pain.

jeames
16-09-2010, 13:15
Its not easy boiling 25+ litres of water a day on the bank (and thats whats needed sometimes). Especially when abroad - you have to start carting stock pots (you cant exactly boil 100 kettles worth...), and numerous gas cartridges (and there's limits on what you can take abroad).

Thats why soaked-only particles are the only practical option sometimes.

:thumbs:

cant he use sumet else !!!! boilies maybe !!!

i have been to france and done this also ( took me own particles ) but only a limited amount...ie, hemp, conditioner, etc...
we also took 3 sacks of pellets, which worked a treat after the particles had been used. an idea there for him ??

jimmyg
16-09-2010, 13:17
groats, flaked maize, vitalin, crushed hemp, ground tiger nuts (coarse), ground peanuts,catering cans sweetcorn,chickpeas are all good for what you want
other types of stuff can be added to pep it up i did well on grated belachan and salted dried shrimps in france added to a groundbait all bound in oyster sauce.

DomSpalding
16-09-2010, 15:25
You would be surpirsed what you find in the big French supermarkets - all sorts of wiered and wonderful stuff that would make suitable baits. Having done the soaking boiling thing on the bank I know what a pain it is.
Haith's pigeon conditioner is the one for me, in my experience it only requires covering with boiling water and then leaving overnight so it's not too bad...

lardbelly
16-09-2010, 22:11
Thanks for the input guys, i'll check out the pidgeon conditioner situation with a 'particle specialist' who owns a tackle shop near me. I was leaning towards Vitalin because of the flaked maize it contains.
The lake in question has an horrific amount of Poisson Chat, so boilies are a waste of time.
Also, the amount we are taking will be near to 300 kilos, hence the emphasis on cheap.

Fish on....
18-09-2010, 13:10
My local bait shop sells a thing called mixed flakes, and ive looked at it side by side with vitalin and it looks pretty much exactly the same, but is half the price, might be worth looking for some.

What about broken rice to?