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NEILZ
05-04-2010, 14:16
As above. those shots where the background is out of focus. Is there an easy explanation of how to acheive this? Ive been told its to do with the appeture, have played about with this but with no joy. My camera is a Canon powershot G6, is it even acheivable with this camera? A bit of a lack of knowledge when it comes to photography unfortunately:o

Thanks in advance, Neil

Mowgli
05-04-2010, 15:31
Hello there, there will be some people on here that will be able to give you more help.

But it's to do with f - stops I believe and what depth of field you have. If you can manually play around with your settings you might be able to come up with similar results.

I use a Canon EOS 5 and a EOS 350D with a 50mm fixed lens. This achieves the background blurring beautifully. :)

Mowgli
05-04-2010, 15:33
an example…

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy56/mowgli1980/IMG_2578.jpg

NEILZ
05-04-2010, 15:38
Hi mate perfect example, thanks. the F numbers on my G6 can be adjusted from F2 to F8 (i think) but as i said i have played about with these but it doesnt seem to make a difference at all

yub
05-04-2010, 17:35
For trophy shots it also pays not to stand to close to a background, eg, have the footpath or a field behind you.

unify14
05-04-2010, 17:39
As above. those shots where the background is out of focus. Is there an easy explanation of how to acheive this? Ive been told its to do with the appeture, have played about with this but with no joy. My camera is a Canon powershot G6, is it even acheivable with this camera? A bit of a lack of knowledge when it comes to photography unfortunately:o

Thanks in advance, Neil

you will struggle with a G6 to get the desired affect, choosing f2 and a longish focal length is the right approach but even that will give you limited isolation. The aperture settings on compacts are no-where however near as effective as on SLR's. Certainly F2 on my G6 is miles apart from the equiv setting on my 5d.

Mr_Bump
05-04-2010, 17:43
Low F, as in 1.8 and below.

You will struggle with your camera as you can not lock the F number, it will change as you zoom in.

The best bet is to set the F as low as you can get it and move the camera instead of zooming in.

Make sure theres a couple of foot behind you and the bushes will help too, and set your camera to focus just on the centre, not the full frame.

Good luck and good bokeh ;)

Google this "bens newbie dslr guide" will give you some good pointers, not fish related at all though :)

Mowgli
05-04-2010, 18:06
Low F, as in 1.8 and below.

You will struggle with your camera as you can not lock the F number, it will change as you zoom in.

The best bet is to set the F as low as you can get it and move the camera instead of zooming in.

Make sure theres a couple of foot behind you and the bushes will help too, and set your camera to focus just on the centre, not the full frame.

Good luck and good bokeh ;)

Google this "bens newbie dslr guide" will give you some good pointers, not fish related at all though :)

I knew you'd be able to help! :notworthy:

mr_penetrator
05-04-2010, 18:18
I know these pics aren't fish but I'm sure you'd achieve the same results if they were trophy shots (I'm no photographer so if I'm wrong put me right, I don't want to mislead the op). I took these with the bigger kit lens (40-150mm?) on an E-410 set on auto and got these results.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs111.snc1/5110_1099412762292_1135841852_30252540_6928853_n.j pg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30252541&id=1135841852)


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs081.snc1/4544_1093222527540_1135841852_30235044_1364106_n.j pg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30235045&id=1135841852)

wanderindog
05-04-2010, 19:02
loving your c0ck stew!!:lol:

NEILZ
05-04-2010, 19:45
Thanks for the pointers lads. Did think the camera would possibly not be up to the job, but will continue to have a mess about all the same. Have thought about going down the slr route just the prices are bit out of my range at the mo.
Thanks again.
Oh and Mr P loving the ****!!

Mr_Bump
05-04-2010, 20:16
Have a play at home, figure out what works best.

Fully manual, lowest F youve got, lowest ISO (probably 100), get in nice and close and as quick an exposure as you can.

Not sure if you can change the focus point on these cameras or not, Ill download a manual and have a read :)

NEILZ
05-04-2010, 20:20
Thanks mate, really appreciate that. Im just having a play about now

Mr_Bump
05-04-2010, 20:36
Thanks mate, really appreciate that. Im just having a play about now
According to the manual Portrait mode should give you the effect too and its fully auto.

Take a few and make a note of the F number and the exposure.

Then you can transfer those numbers to the fully manual setting. Increase and decrease the F number and the exposure so you can see what each one does to the finished picture.

If your not confident, try the programmed auto setting, this lets you adjust the F number and the camera will adjust the exposure to suit and vice versa.

Just keep playing :)

NEILZ
05-04-2010, 20:48
Yes i read that about the portrait made a while back but doesnt give the desired effect. How do i set it to automatically focus in the centre? it just seems to pick random objects to focus on

bradders8
05-04-2010, 20:54
neils i wouldnt bother you blank anyway

Mr_Bump
05-04-2010, 20:55
You need to press the button that looks like an + sign, then using the dial select the - o - setting, not the o o o one, then press the + button again or the shutter.

Should give you a small sqaure in the center of the screen, rather than a larger one

Tiny
05-04-2010, 21:10
Low F stop will give you a wider apperture with a short focal length but in good light conditions you will need to up the sutter speed so as not to over expose your shots. you should be able to see the effect at F2 although you may find that the shot wont be crystal sharp as most lenses produce thier shapest image approximately two stops less than wide open.

NEILZ
05-04-2010, 21:21
Thanks mate that worked a treat. Will carry on playing and let you know how i get on

mark455
05-04-2010, 23:49
I know these pics aren't fish but I'm sure you'd achieve the same results if they were trophy shots (I'm no photographer so if I'm wrong put me right, I don't want to mislead the op). I took these with the bigger kit lens (40-150mm?) on an E-410 set on auto and got these results.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs111.snc1/5110_1099412762292_1135841852_30252540_6928853_n.j pg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30252541&id=1135841852)


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs081.snc1/4544_1093222527540_1135841852_30235044_1364106_n.j pg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30235045&id=1135841852)

Great pictures fella....

Les_Paul
08-04-2010, 14:51
Does the camera have an aperture only mode? If so select that and select the lowest F stop. This allows maximum light and the camera will select the correct shutter speed for you. It also creates the narrowest depth of field so get your background farther away from you and you should get a degree of blur.

Downside is a drop in image quality as lenses do not perform at their best with wide open apertures, and also the focus point becomes far more critical to get correct. A 50mm for example at 1.8 when focussed on the eye of a fish you are holding will be focussed correct. Such is the narrowness of depth of field the rest of the picture will be out of focus and blurred.

Tiny
08-04-2010, 17:29
A 50mm for example at 1.8 when focussed on the eye of a fish you are holding will be focussed correct. Such is the narrowness of depth of field the rest of the picture will be out of focus and blurred.

yep but if your expecting this you can get some quite interesting shots :thumbs:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/steven__morrison/DSC_0414.jpg

Mowgli
08-04-2010, 18:07
I have a prime lens on both my Canon's. I love the fact that I am out of focus and the fish is pin sharp.

Les_Paul
09-04-2010, 11:43
yep but if your expecting this you can get some quite interesting shots :thumbs:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/steven__morrison/DSC_0414.jpg

Spot on! Great picture and well worked.

NorfolkBob
09-04-2010, 13:16
oooh Tiny, you look very cuddly!

dave "the blanker" box
14-04-2010, 16:36
How would I acheive this on a dslr e510? Does any body know? Must admit that first carp looks fantastic.......as well as Mr pens **** ofcourse!

carpingmad
14-04-2010, 16:44
top top picture fella lovely common

Les_Paul
15-04-2010, 08:44
How would I acheive this on a dslr e510? Does any body know? Must admit that first carp looks fantastic.......as well as Mr pens **** ofcourse!

Use the same techniques as described. If its an Olympus the DOF wont be as shallow due to the way the four thirds sensor works

dave "the blanker" box
15-04-2010, 12:36
Use the same techniques as described. If its an Olympus the DOF wont be as shallow due to the way the four thirds sensor works

Lol in English? I'm a camara noddy to a degree. Ok well I will try the methods stated above. Thanks

Tiny
15-04-2010, 18:39
lol english... once you really start down the road of picture taking it gets very un english sounding

i have never used an Olympus but the principles are the same... low F stop... F1.8, to F3 (lower the better) that lets lots of light in and shortens the DOF (depth of field) then play around with the shutter speed and maybe even the ISO, shutter speed is obvious, quick shutter low light through the lense slow shutter more light... the ISO changes the sensors sensitivity to light so in very low light you may find you need to drop the F stop to F2 then have the shutter at maybe 1/60th (i wouldnt go slower then 1/30th hand hald as you may get camer shake) if the picture is still too dark you can up the iso to 200 or 400 just be aware that the higher the iso the more 'graining' you might get on the picture.

it also helps to have your focal point on center weighted as that focuses the point of focus rather than the more usual spread focus

does any of that make sense? lol