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S1 4 FFC
27-01-2010, 18:54
I didn't want to ruin the original thread with my questions as it seems inappropriate on what has become a page of memorium.

HOWEVER...
Is it wrong to ask what weight when she was found.
I read one comment that the fish was buried is this normal practice when a legendary fish passes away ?
Do fish ever get stuffed or is that seen as undignified.?
I ask as it seems that the fish could have lived on for all to see her like many fish do ?

Thanks in advance.

lyndon
27-01-2010, 19:15
Good point there. Many a big Pike gets set up after passing away. Might have been a fitting thing to do. Nice addition to the lodge maybe?.

S1 4 FFC
28-01-2010, 09:01
Either a boring question ...people don't know or i've asked the unaskable ...
Cheer lyndon.

Paul_the_Bailiff
28-01-2010, 09:03
Personally I can see no problem with having these history fish set up when they pass on.

Mr_Bump
28-01-2010, 09:10
It would depend on condition of the body, if shes more than a few days gone there wont be much to set-up.

philgb
28-01-2010, 09:15
When the big fella died in our place the powers that be at the time decided to have him set up and cased. It made a stunning fish look hideous. I wouldn't recomend it.

Paul_the_Bailiff
28-01-2010, 09:17
When the big fella died in our place the powers that be at the time decided to have him set up and cased. It made a stunning fish look hideous. I wouldn't recomend it.

All depends on who does the work though, like any craft.

philgb
28-01-2010, 09:20
The guy who did ours specialised in game fish (the owning club at the time were predominantley a game angling club) so maybe that is why. However I'd always go with burying now that we've got control of the place.

S1 4 FFC
28-01-2010, 09:21
Also reading the original thread some say "he" some say "she" ... which was it ??



anyone know "It's" weight ... or is that a wrong question asking what weight if a lady... she passed away at...

KennyB
28-01-2010, 09:36
It would depend on condition of the body, if shes more than a few days gone there wont be much to set-up.

You would be suprised Bump.

Roo
28-01-2010, 09:42
wasnt weighed as HE was a bit wiffy and it was too far gone to be set up. It would have meant freezing the corpse aswell and potentially causing more damage also so we buried it.
We have a piccy of HIM in 1971 at 17lb, so HE would have probably have been about 10 to 12years old at that time meaning that when He died He would have been about 50 years old. A good age especially as it was a heavily pressured fish for the majority of its life as are the rest of the stock at Horton so He didnt do badly:)

G_Dell
28-01-2010, 09:45
where was SHE found Roo :D

mr_penetrator
28-01-2010, 09:46
Bury him near the lake, he was part of Horton. Bazil's grave is a lovely part of the North set up, sounds gay but i've lost count of the amount of times I've rubbed that headstone for a bit of luck. I personally think it'd be the best ending for such an awesome fish, after all, you wouldn't have your pet dog set up..........................would you? :eek:

S1 4 FFC
28-01-2010, 10:58
Thanks Roo and others...
So it was a HE amazing the original post had more "shes" than "he's"
If you are going to pay respects (even to a fish) you should at least know the basic facts.

Mr_Bump
28-01-2010, 11:13
You would be suprised Bump.
This time of year the water temps will help preserve but could also keep the body from floating up and being discovered.

I know things vary and some fish have been set up more than a few days after death but Im sure you will agree, the quicker the better.

KennyB
28-01-2010, 11:57
This time of year the water temps will help preserve but could also keep the body from floating up and being discovered.

I know things vary and some fish have been set up more than a few days after death but Im sure you will agree, the quicker the better.

Yea absolutely, but there are a few guys who can recreate even a parially rotten fish just off a photo.

But yea, the quicker its frozen the better.

Hitchy
28-01-2010, 12:45
wasnt weighed as HE was a bit wiffy and it was too far gone to be set up. It would have meant freezing the corpse aswell and potentially causing more damage also so we buried it.
We have a piccy of HIM in 1971 at 17lb, so HE would have probably have been about 10 to 12years old at that time meaning that when He died He would have been about 50 years old. A good age especially as it was a heavily pressured fish for the majority of its life as are the rest of the stock at Horton so He didnt do badly:)

Shoulder's, 17lb, 1973 - John Carver from Yeoveny it's original home & surprisingly enough from a lake that DID get back-filled,

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/eastend1979/JC17lbYeoveney1973-1.jpg

Photo courtesy of Chris Ball, I honestly hope I'm ok in using them as I have.

Mr_Bump
28-01-2010, 13:02
Didnt realise he came from Yeoveny, christ that place had some fish.

miller
28-01-2010, 13:07
Shoulder's, 17lb, 1973 - John Carver from Yeoveny it's original home & surprisingly enough from a lake that DID get back-filled,


Photo courtesy of Chris Ball, I honestly hope I'm ok in using them as I have.

Great old photo.

Hitchy
28-01-2010, 13:28
Didnt realise he came from Yeoveny, christ that place had some fish.

& now has quite a few cars ;)

ChrisBall
28-01-2010, 13:45
Shoulder's, 17lb, 1973 - John Carver from Yeoveny it's original home & surprisingly enough from a lake that DID get back-filled,

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/eastend1979/JC17lbYeoveney1973-1.jpg

Photo courtesy of Chris Ball, I honestly hope I'm ok in using them as I have.


Further details on the death of ‘Shoulders’ on the opening page of today’s Carp-Talk Xtra - Issue 132

Chris B

S1 4 FFC
28-01-2010, 16:07
It was an ugly fish even in the early days then...

wates
28-01-2010, 16:44
Shoulder's, 17lb, 1973 - John Carver from Yeoveny it's original home & surprisingly enough from a lake that DID get back-filled,

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/eastend1979/JC17lbYeoveney1973-1.jpg

Photo courtesy of Chris Ball, I honestly hope I'm ok in using them as I have.

Not all of it was back filled though, the swim that Sir Pete took his brace from is still there

Roo
28-01-2010, 16:50
found up at the gate swim Graham, by Keith :( he's not a happy bunny bless him!

G_Dell
28-01-2010, 16:58
me and him both :rolleyes:

Psyclops
28-01-2010, 17:05
me and him both :rolleyes:


And many others.

Grid66
28-01-2010, 21:47
Do fish ever get stuffed or is that seen as undignified.?


Bruno will be fixed up by the taxidermist and will take it's place alongside Sid (died last year) on the walls of the Landsend Pub in Twyford. It's become quite renowned for it's stuffed specimens.
Worth a look over a pint if you are ever in the neighbourhood. It's just past the Causeway, go through the ford and it's on your left.

Smithy66
29-01-2010, 09:10
Thanks Roo and others...
So it was a HE amazing the original post had more "shes" than "he's"
If you are going to pay respects (even to a fish) you should at least know the basic facts.

lol, is this for real? :dissapoint:

Big_Si2
29-01-2010, 09:24
I know when Bazil died, we were all very keen to get the great fish in the ground before someone decided they wanted to stuff and mount in a tackle shop/fisheries office somewhere (not that i'm suggesting cemex would have done, but just incase!).

These great fish have been hunted and persued all their lives, let them have a bit of peace and quiet when they pass on, and not leave them to be gawped at for years afterwards. (In my humble opinion)

KennyB
29-01-2010, 09:51
Peace and Quiet? Its dead!

bulove
29-01-2010, 09:57
and its a fish........

as in fish and chips.... cupo tea

Big_Si2
29-01-2010, 13:38
Peace and Quiet? Its dead!

Exactly. Its dead, bury it, leave it be.

Bu love: Obviously they are just fish. Just so happens some of us have spent so long trying to catch them, watching them, feeding them etc you grow to respect and admire them, as u'd admire a Lion, or an elephant, a manta ray, or anything else you spend time observing in nature. If you don't, or can't even see how this could possibly be the case, then you're in the wrong game, and on the wrong website.

mark boyle
29-01-2010, 14:22
iv'e spent alot of time admiring Keeley Hazel.

Big_Si2
29-01-2010, 14:30
Now ur definitely on the wrong website Mark!!;o)

S1 4 FFC
29-01-2010, 14:34
lol, is this for real? :dissapoint:


NO it was tongue in cheek ... i'm always baffled the out pouring of grief for dogs & cats let alone a fish ... most have never seen :rolleyes:

Big_Si2
29-01-2010, 15:40
Come on Bu love, share! I'm bored at work and fancy getting stuck into a discussion

Slightly object to the fool label though....!!!

mr_penetrator
29-01-2010, 16:07
I can sort of see both views in this thread, I can't disagree that they're just fish, but they're not any old fish like you'd buy from Tesco's are they?

The fish in question has been known and chased for years so of course a fair few people will be gutted, especially those who saw him/her in the bottom of their net or even spent hours/days/years chasing the said fish.

I don't think the grief, mourning, call it what you like is the same as losing a friend or family member, it doesn't even compare, not even to losing a family pet (Ever lost a dog or cat S14 FFC? It hurts), but for some, it's a sickener.

If people want to show some kind of respect to a very famous carp, one that stirred a lot of peoples imaginations, then why do others have to have a pop at them for it?

upperoilcan
29-01-2010, 16:16
Come on Bu love,

Originally Bumlove...............

Wonder why the name change ?..........:eek:

stomp
29-01-2010, 22:27
iv'e spent alot of time admiring Keeley Hazel.but you wouldnt want to see her stuffed would you..........:lol:

LADDERS
30-01-2010, 08:39
but you wouldnt want to see her stuffed would you..........:lol:

No!!

I'd like to see S1 4 FFC well and truly stuffed though :suspect:

stemainwaring
30-01-2010, 08:56
No!!

I'd like to see S1 4 FFC well and truly stuffed though :suspect:

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Lol, me too ladders...

bullasboss
30-01-2010, 11:46
No!!

I'd like to see S1 4 FFC well and truly stuffed though :suspect:

FULHAM get stuffed nearly every week bruvva :lol:

LADDERS
30-01-2010, 12:19
FULHAM get stuffed nearly every week bruvva :lol:

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeS!!:lol:

Nice one Bulla how's Tricks? :thumbs:

S1 4 FFC
30-01-2010, 13:25
It appears i've upset a regular with the nature of this thread...
IF the moderators feel that somehow i've caused offence to anyone this wasn't the intention ...feel free to remove ....regards Steve...

Psyclops
30-01-2010, 14:22
It appears i've upset a regular with the nature of this thread...
IF the moderators feel that somehow i've caused offence to anyone this wasn't the intention ...feel free to remove ....regards Steve...


Aaaahh, how sympathetic:D I'm a regular AND a Villa fan so you'll get stuffed today too:D