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tadpole
27-01-2010, 12:43
On here??And i'm not talking about the odd bag of Richworth frozen tutties in winter.

Have you done a whole year on them or based a baiting campaign on them and actually caught with any degree of consistancy...Not just a few quick fish...if any at all..

Just wondering as iv'e never used any and never see anyone using them,but wonder who buys the bags off the stuff......

Most of the bags in the shops seem to have a fine layer of dust on them and the packaging is starting to look old....

And there's still a few bags of the pink and white old salmon supremes kicking around in the bargin bucket.....




Regards Tad.

StewartJ
27-01-2010, 12:57
Not really a campaign, but did try a 4 week pre-baiting effort on the river using shelf lifes. Absolute pony!
Gave up and went back to freezer baits and pellets ..

KennyB
27-01-2010, 13:06
Caught a few on Essential Opal over the years.

Silkey
27-01-2010, 13:11
From what i understand, alot of the nash consultants use shelf lifes in preference of freezer baits as there is no difference in nutritional value.

Nash is also meant to feeds his lakes with shelf life boilies.

This may not be true but it is what i have been informaed.

The dynamite shelf lifes are good as well and i do rate them as one of the best shelf lifes available.

Samo
27-01-2010, 13:31
I'v nether used frozen, i all ways you's shelf life, Whats the difference ones frozen and ones not???

ggaarryy
27-01-2010, 13:32
preservatives ;)

PLEASUREANGLER
27-01-2010, 13:36
Eggs :)

Jarvo
27-01-2010, 13:36
From what i understand, alot of the nash consultants use shelf lifes in preference of freezer baits as there is no difference in nutritional value.

Nash is also meant to feeds his lakes with shelf life boilies.

This may not be true but it is what i have been informaed.

The dynamite shelf lifes are good as well and i do rate them as one of the best shelf lifes available.

I was looking at the Dynamite range in the tackle shop yesterday, they did look pretty good, I also noticed Frank Warrick, Terry Hearn and now Hutchy are putting there stamp on the baits. I'd be interested to hear what people think of them.

Samo
27-01-2010, 13:37
Oh right, i see because they frozen and when they un freeze they let it out :O Think i will have to try them, Tuttie Fruity or Pineapple

PLEASUREANGLER
27-01-2010, 13:43
I was looking at the Dynamite range in the tackle shop yesterday, they did look pretty good, I also noticed Frank Warrick, Terry Hearn and now Hutchy are putting there stamp on the baits. I'd be interested to hear what people think of them.

Its just possible they get paid to put their stamp on the baits, but I may be wrong.
As for using them, in private, :confused:

flex21
27-01-2010, 13:45
Some bait companies only sell shelf life can they be that bad?, Would like to know if these anglers actually use what they put there stamp on.

Gigantica has banned shelf life boilies on that venue.

Jordan Realtree
27-01-2010, 13:49
I aint got a freezer si i use shelf lives but I reboil them to rehydrate them. mate of mine is a nash baits angler and he says the nash freezer baits are the same as shelf lives anyway and dont ever go off in the packet even after theyve been opened for weeks!

KIRITUK

JR

flex21
27-01-2010, 13:50
also lets not forget it is a matter of convenience.

Jamie
27-01-2010, 14:12
I know of a few people that have done well on nutrabaits shelfies.

tenchtamer
27-01-2010, 14:22
nutrabaits trigga shelfies have a following as do one or two others but i stick to frozen always.

ollie 'carpin' cannings
27-01-2010, 14:30
i will use shelf life some times but only a couple of choices and that KG1 and trigga!

Jarvo
27-01-2010, 14:40
Its just possible they get paid to put their stamp on the baits, but I may be wrong.
As for using them, in private, :confused:

Good point that....I'd wager they don't

Goooey
27-01-2010, 14:43
Can anyone afford to run a campain on shelfies?

Crikey.

Jarvo
27-01-2010, 15:39
also lets not forget it is a matter of convenience.


Exactly!
I noticed a bag of Mainlines 'Cell' readies in the shop, they looked and smelt the business, never used Mainline myself so can't comment on their effectiveness. By all accounts CC Moores readies do pretty well...again never used them.

I remember alot of lads on our lake :thumbs: using Richworth Salmon Supreme frozens a few years ago, they really did well on those so I can recommend them.

flex21
27-01-2010, 15:49
I used CC moore shelf life odessy xxx couple years back, they do say on the packet use within 3 weeks of opening so guessing they use as little preseratives as poss.

but changed to frozen and wouldnt go back.

Jarvo
27-01-2010, 15:53
I used CC moore shelf life odessy xxx couple years back, they do say on the packet use within 3 weeks of opening so guessing they use as little preseratives as poss.

but changed to frozen and wouldnt go back.

Interesting that you changed to frozen flex, why wouldn't you go back, better results?

msc 63
27-01-2010, 15:55
caught a lot of fish in france on Nutrabaits cream cajouser

flex21
27-01-2010, 16:05
when i sarted carp fishing was only going twice a month really just day session. So kept a bag of shelf lifes in my bag and just used them no prebaiting or anything so really just used a couple handfull of boilie every session. Then started going more regulary and going france etc. used frozen on my first france visit and the results were great. When i returned decided to change to frozen just mainly because surely the preseritives must not be as good as the fresh frozen. its really down to something thats fresh or something that has had preseritives to last longer. as you must have to take some kind of nutrience out for the presertives? just my opinion many will prob disagree.

Just have more confidence with frozen, and thats what counts when it comes to bait surely confidence.

If you have no freezer buy a air drying bag dry the baits out for a few hours on a towel, then put them in the air drying bag and hang them up in a cool dry place its what i use to do .

Samo
27-01-2010, 16:15
When you use frozen do you have to air dry them be-for you can use them?

Jarvo
27-01-2010, 16:20
Fair comments Flex and I agree with you entirely on the confidence side of things.
I used to use Catchum 88 ready mades (god that takes me back), they were like gob stoppers, really big and rock hard, fruity type flavour i recall, they did very well but alas went out of production.

hooker69
27-01-2010, 16:25
You could liken this to food we eat.... for example it is possible to buy a ready made Shepherds Pie from Tesco, these can be cooked in microwave etc and will do us no harm whatsoever... however if you were presented with the choice of having a fresh shepherds pie made with fresh ingredients and cooked properly in the oven which one are you going to chose?

I think the same can be said for bait, a shelf life boilie will contain preserved egg whereas a frozen boilie will contain fresh egg, I also believe that the perservative takes away some of the nutritional value of the bait, although that doesnt mean for one minute that a preserved (shelf-life) bait will be harmful to our quarry. In my own fishing I have found that a freezer bait will outfish the preserved version over a season everytime, and for this reason I will only use a "fresh" bait.
However I can see why someone would use a shelf life bait as they can be kept in your rucksack/bait bucket all season without the need to ever take them out, the worst that will happen to them is they will harden up,there is obviously a big market for shelf life baits otherwise all of these bait companies would not still be making them although i do feel myself that they are aimed at the less experienced/dedicated anglers who are simply looking to go out and have abit of fun.(Im not starting any noddy debates etc, each to there own is what i say).

This is only my opinion and im not looking to get anyone biting on the less dedicated comment etc.... at the end of the day we all take our own experiences in angling and use them to try and be a better angler, if someone has done well on shelf lifes then they would have no need to change to a fresh bait just because they feel they have become more experienced and lets face it there are alot of people out there for whom stroring a stinking bait in a freezer is not feasible and given the choice of having a shelf life bait and not going fishing i know for a fact which one i would chose and put it this way it isnt the no fishing option!

hooker69
27-01-2010, 16:26
Samo you dont have to air dry a frozen bait before it can be used, Thawing them out for a couple of hours will be sufficient although i wouldnt advise thawing then re-freezing any more than twice.

PLEASUREANGLER
27-01-2010, 16:34
OK, you have 2 bags of boilies, both the same flavour.
1 shelf life
1 frozen.

both go out into the same place/spot [loads of carp]

Will the carp ignore the shelf life and pick out the frozen?

lyndon
27-01-2010, 16:40
Samo you dont have to air dry a frozen bait before it can be used, Thawing them out for a couple of hours will be sufficient although i wouldnt advise thawing then re-freezing any more than twice.
I have to say in my experience it doesn't matter how any times you thaw and re-freeze. In fact I have caught on a mouldy bait before now. I really don't think fish are that fussy as to turn their noses up at a bait because its been re-frozen a few times. They do eat the most disgusting things such as blood worm I think they can stomach our bait if its re-frozen a few times.

Regards shelf lifes I find them over flavoured and so prefer to use frozen baits I have made myself. I also do not like the thought of using preserved baits as some of the preservatives used are not that health for fish to eat in quantity. I think this has improved over time and more suitable preservatives are now used but still not my bag.

Matt_C
27-01-2010, 16:51
OK, you have 2 bags of boilies, both the same flavour.
1 shelf life
1 frozen.

both go out into the same place/spot [loads of carp]

Will the carp ignore the shelf life and pick out the frozen?

I would say this comes down to the venue you are fishing. On high stock 'hungry' waters where fish are competing for food then I think they will eat anything they can get.

On lower stock waters where fish can pick and choose I believe a 'better' bait will get selected over an inferior one. Whether frozen baits are better than shelf lifes, the general opinion is yes, however I have no evidence to prove it.

flex21
27-01-2010, 16:54
From information i have read carp are omnivorous opportunistic feeder's which means they will eat whatever they see as high in nutrience, so if you look at it from that angle and frozen do have more nutrience than shelf life they maybe more likely to pick up the bait with the highest amount of nutrience.

hooker69
27-01-2010, 16:56
I dont think they will ignore the shelf life but i do believe they would prefer the frozen bait.... Go back to my original example - Would you eat the Microwave meal from Tescos or the homemade Fresh Oven cooked Shepherds Pie?
Both will fill the gap and u will be OK after eating both but 99.9% of us would still prefer the Fresh version...
Why would it be any different for the fish?
As for the not refreezing as i said in my first post everyone has differing opinions and there isnt really a right or wrong answer, we are all on our own learning curve and make judgements on points that we believe will make us a better angler... it is only my opinion that they should not be re-frozen it isnt fact and i have No proof to say it does that or it does this, In MY fishing I have found that a fresh bait that hasnt been re-frozen to be of a better quality than a fresh bait which has been frozen umpteen times (when i say better quality i mean more fish) this could be coincidence i dont know... but it is a judgement i have made and have stuck by.... if we were all the same it would be boring wouldnt it???

kathrynshubby
27-01-2010, 17:16
surely a lot of this is down to consistency, and flavour levels?

shelf lives tend to be a lot harder than frozen baits, particularly once they've been in the water a few hours - a lot of them are as hard after 4 hours as they are when they come out of the bag. And they tend to have a little more flavour in them than frozens (if smell alone is anything to go by).

I am sure on pressured waters, fish pick up softer, low flavour baits far more readily than hard, flavour full baits. Hence the success of wash outs.

Matt

LeeOn
27-01-2010, 17:31
Readymades are great and very effective in the right situation. Its because they tend to be stronger flavoured and sweetened that there a bit different to the usual high food baits. I like the rosehip readymades for this reason. You dont bait with them, your not trying to feed the fish, your just trying to catch them. If you fish them like that, as singles or stringers or maybe a very light scattereing then readymades ( well rosehips that i know for sure) can catch on the trickyest of waters where the foody baits have been over fed.
As far as consistency goes, again they wont have the instant impact of a baited food bait, but they will winkle fish out regularly if your on the fish.

Sou'wester
27-01-2010, 17:33
What if the shepherds pies are on plates and you dont know which is which?,in the case of a bait which may have been laying on the the silty smelly bottom of a pond for hours is the difference noticable or masked by water silt etc.
Depends if you subscribe to the nutritional recognition theory or not,can they tell which is best for them before eating it if yes how has anyone ever caught on a tutti frutti.
As for one bait outfishing another very difficult to prove,fish 2 rods on a spot,different baits switch around every cast but when one goes how do you know the if the fish just came across that one first or actively sought it out.

Not having a pop just playing devils advocate lol.

topdog78
27-01-2010, 18:46
[QUOTE=lyndon;1346229]I have to say in my experience it doesn't matter how any times you thaw and re-freeze. In fact I have caught on a mouldy bait before now. I really don't think fish are that fussy as to turn their noses up at a bait because its been re-frozen a few times. They do eat the most disgusting things such as blood worm I think they can stomach our bait if its re-frozen a few times.

Not having a pop at you fella but please dont use mouldy bait, as this can be DEADLY to the fish, i.e salmonella poisoning, e-coli ( think gone off eggs ) etc, they may eat what we consider disgusting stuff such as bloodworm, snails, and even there own faeces but they get away with it because there gut is naturally evolved to cope with the impurities/bacteria found in them as its always been in there enviroment unlike the dangerous bacteria formed on warm moist rotten eggs ( in the gone-off boilies ),
Regards,
T.D

Dapper
27-01-2010, 18:46
I use shelf lifes as alternative hookbaits on stringers, BFM, Triggar Richworth Tuttis and Esteberry's heavily dipped in a liquid food come to mind, but wouldnt dream of baiting heavy with them and fishing over a large bed of them.

If I need to 'preserve' a bait I air dry them after boiling them and before freezing them, rehydrating them with a liquid food.

A air dried bait can last for months in some cases.

wanderindog
27-01-2010, 18:48
just use em for hookbaits where needed:thumbs:

psl2708
27-01-2010, 18:50
really don't like the idea of shelf life (preserved) baits one little bit other than for single hookbait fishing.

Read some research that had been done where by the natural gut flora (bacteria etc that aids digestion) of a carp was grown on agar in a petri dish.

Once these cultures were established tiny amounts of potassium sorbate, as well as liquidised readymades were introduced onto the dishes. The results were that the bacteria was killed off and failed to return to the areas were the preservative / readymades were added.

That may come as no surprise, as a preservative is purpose designed to prevent bacterial /microbial activity, but have a think what it might be doing to the carp's digestive process, which relies on such bacteria as well as enzymes to process food. (I dont know or dont recall if the preservatives were tested against enzyme activity)

Now some shelflifes may have more preservative in them than others but I'd be very wary about introducing any more than a handful, especially when you consider they are going to be very slow at breaking down on the lake bed as well!

coldcatcher
27-01-2010, 18:55
So most ppl wouldn't use a readymade pop up then?? fished over a bed of matching frozen baits? A tatic thats caught a lot of kippers is to fish a completly different bait on the hair/popped up just off a bed of baits with the thinking that the fish won't veiw this hook bait with suspiction(bad spelling).

Karmalite
27-01-2010, 18:56
From a scientific view point - you know me by now - carp are biologically programmed by their genes to swim, breath, eat, sleep, crap, procreate and learn.

Their sensory system allows them to determine if something is edible but is not going to be particularly specific.

How do i know this?

The survival strategies of animals like Pandas that are stuck on one food source mean they are, in evolutionary terms, ****ed.

As soon as you find a species that is one food specific you'll find a species that is going to go extinct. The fossil record is full of them.

The day the bamboo runs out is the day all Pandas starve to death.
The day that ants find a way of hiding from anteaters is .... well you get the picture.

Fish have been around for billions of years because they have a wide range of potential food items to select from and the ability to acquire new ones based on those items matching a broad pattern which says "Food" rather than "Planorbarius corneus" .
Add that to a learning routine and as a fish you can learn to eat almost anything with a food signal.

The next bit is; can what you've eaten sustain your life and if not how do you know - before you die?

That is a b*****rd hard question to answer.

We assume eating pizza for every meal is a lifestyle choice but there is almost certainly a mechanism that at an almost subconscious level allows some people to feel that their food is doing them good or not and others who don't have this ability or have the ability to ignore it.

There are a few sensory features of human biology that are more active in some people and not in others the Jacobs organ is one of them.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aa051601a.htm

I'm certain at some point someone will identify a specific group of genes that are active in "healthy" people and less or inactive in unfit ones. And they will relate to genes found in all animals that feed back directly to the "am i healthy" sense.

If i believe the above then i must assume that fish are capable of determining if their food is doing good for them because i have yet to find thousands of starving carp - overstocked idiot ponds aside.

There is also a sensible evolutionary mechanism for this; the fish that know what is good for them survive longer to make more little fishes with the clever genes than those of their less astute friends. Gradually they replace them until the next mutation that makes the next prodigy and then it starts all over again.

So personally i think that if you want to use a bait in a sustained long term way you'll do better with something that makes the fish think "uhmm i feel good after eating that" but that sense doesn't stop them indulging in the odd pizza.

hawthorne
27-01-2010, 19:16
The Source

skizz7163
27-01-2010, 19:43
nash river specialist monster crab. caught consistantly on these last year still have a few left but keeping them as my bankers.

Sou'wester
27-01-2010, 19:54
But the issue with shelf lifes vs freezer baits is can they tell one from the other before the eating stage,sitting there with a good quality food bait in front of you and blanking,up rolls matey bangs out a ready made and bingo largest fish in the pond.

If ready mades are not such a good bait then the fish should swim on to your food bait.

Is it down to the attractor package giving a misleading food message,if your bait is that good you dont need flavours etc but how many are happy to leave them out.

Mr carp roams around the lake,eats some bloodworm snails a few boilies of both types,thinks i feel good now but does it know which food made it feel good?

Think ill just use corn from now on....

punx2482
27-01-2010, 19:57
We go through spells of selling shelf lifes in Hampshire Tackle, you usally find that when a new one is released it sells well for a period of time. But where available people do prefere freezer baits. (TIP) Keep on eye out on the shelf life bait to see whats selling best and use that in the nearest water where theres carp, as we find the locals try baits first and if they work they'll be back soon for more with all there mates.

Charlie R
27-01-2010, 20:01
Both will catch carp imo like a few have said on day tickets yes a stringer of shelffies will work and for day only sessions are more conveinient but they have a reduced nutritional value with frozen baits they give the carp a decent diet thus in many cases enabling the carp to pack on pounds more rapidly and with shelfies carp will have them but they wont go back looking for more with frozen boilies the more the carp eat the more the carp want.
Frozen unless air dried are generaly softer and I've had greaat success fishing a shelfy over a bed of frozen if you dont have time to air dry and rehydrate which im not a fan of as i beleive alot of the flavour is lost.

PLEASUREANGLER
27-01-2010, 20:27
Its strange is it not, Dick Walker and his 44lb carp had never heard of "Boilies" 60 yrs ago but now the carp seem to prefer them.

Like us humans have been conditioned to eat various foods, not normally associated with us. IE. Chinese, Indian, chemical laden food, so have the carp been conditioned to eat boilies an unnatural food for them.

Ever seen a person eat a whole container of "Pringles" they just cannot put them down.

Carp, like us have become hooked on a certain type food, we have altered their preference.

A carps "trigger" will let it pick out exactly what it prefers, it no longer prefers worms.

Hence we now eat genetically modified food without any problems.




http://www.medlarpress.com/Author-49-Richard-Walker.html

yorkey999
27-01-2010, 21:48
Pop-ups are generally ready-mades..they catch loads of fish..artificials aint even food..they catch loads of fish..shelf-lifes catch loads of fish..frozen catch loads of fish..naturals catch loads of fish..:thumbs:

You use what gives you confidence and probably on baits recommended..:thumbs:

Failure
27-01-2010, 22:25
A good few years back, shelf lifes were horrible things - rock hard, over flavoured balls of 'product'. Having been a frozen bait man for many, many years, I won a CC Moore session pack in a raffle - it contained, amongst other things, a 1k bag of shelf life Meteors. To say that i am impressed would be a massive understatement, I'm actually excited about using them over the next few weeks. Nice and soft, a decent, rounded smell and flavour as opposed to the bitter, horrible smell and taste of yesteryear. Great texture, lovely colouring, get in that pond!! Probably not my first choice for a full on bait campaign but for winter/spring pva bag work, a very exciting prospect indeed :)

ian c
27-01-2010, 23:26
i am 40 .
my favourite flavour of crisp is cheese and onion .
it allways has been .
since i was a small child i have prefered them to other flavours .
this week i thought about them for the first time .....

they taste vaguely like cheese and onion , but not like any cheese and onion sandwich i have ever eaten .
i ate some cheese .
it didnt taste like my favourite crisps .
i took a bite out of an onion .
it didnt taste like my favourite crisps .

i guess i just like them for what they are .

Miserableoldgit
28-01-2010, 00:08
On here??And i'm not talking about the odd bag of Richworth frozen tutties in winter.

Have you done a whole year on them or based a baiting campaign on them and actually caught with any degree of consistancy...Not just a few quick fish...if any at all..


Regards Tad.

Yes, used Trigga & Trigga Ice for 2 seasons ............ they caught consistently and I could not tell any difference in use between the frozen version and the self life's...........

In fact I always carry a bag of Trigga Ice for use on one of the rods at one particular venue.............

Darth_Mullet
28-01-2010, 00:09
From a scientific view point - you know me by now - carp are biologically programmed by their genes to swim, breath, eat, sleep, crap, procreate and learn.

Their sensory system allows them to determine if something is edible but is not going to be particularly specific.

How do i know this?

The survival strategies of animals like Pandas that are stuck on one food source mean they are, in evolutionary terms, ****ed.

As soon as you find a species that is one food specific you'll find a species that is going to go extinct. The fossil record is full of them.

The day the bamboo runs out is the day all Pandas starve to death.
The day that ants find a way of hiding from anteaters is .... well you get the picture.

Fish have been around for billions of years because they have a wide range of potential food items to select from and the ability to acquire new ones based on those items matching a broad pattern which says "Food" rather than "Planorbarius corneus" .
Add that to a learning routine and as a fish you can learn to eat almost anything with a food signal.

The next bit is; can what you've eaten sustain your life and if not how do you know - before you die?

That is a b*****rd hard question to answer.

We assume eating pizza for every meal is a lifestyle choice but there is almost certainly a mechanism that at an almost subconscious level allows some people to feel that their food is doing them good or not and others who don't have this ability or have the ability to ignore it.

There are a few sensory features of human biology that are more active in some people and not in others the Jacobs organ is one of them.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aa051601a.htm

I'm certain at some point someone will identify a specific group of genes that are active in "healthy" people and less or inactive in unfit ones. And they will relate to genes found in all animals that feed back directly to the "am i healthy" sense.

If i believe the above then i must assume that fish are capable of determining if their food is doing good for them because i have yet to find thousands of starving carp - overstocked idiot ponds aside.

There is also a sensible evolutionary mechanism for this; the fish that know what is good for them survive longer to make more little fishes with the clever genes than those of their less astute friends. Gradually they replace them until the next mutation that makes the next prodigy and then it starts all over again.

So personally i think that if you want to use a bait in a sustained long term way you'll do better with something that makes the fish think "uhmm i feel good after eating that" but that sense doesn't stop them indulging in the odd pizza.

A bit like if you avoid fruit and veg for a while and then suddenly have a craving for an orange, a tomato or an apple...

I'm not sure that I remember correctly but wasn't it Harefield that was taken apart on Tutti shelvies in the early 90's? :confused:

hirsuit h
28-01-2010, 15:31
tutti,s took the world apart but me thinks they were frozen and 300 in a bag those were the days

Comfortably_Numb
28-01-2010, 18:13
I had some very good results on Catchabaits Black Crab & Fruit shelfies a few seasons back (freezer packed up). I used same as i would freezer baits, I hadnt used shelf lifes for many years before that (apart from pop ups) but these were of excellent consistancy & could be broken down in fingers still & they were like this for 6months or so. Very convenient to use & i wouldnt hesitate in using again

Santa3
28-01-2010, 20:02
Rosehip isotonics (AKA scagg bait)has caught me many a whacker from belgium..

spencer
28-01-2010, 20:34
Im lucky enough to be part of the Quest baits team for this year and am looking forward to fishing shelfies against frozen. Same bait just one vs the other. To make it easy Im doing Shelfie on the LHR and Frozen on the RHR. Its a bit of a leap of faith for me to use them but after speaking to Shaun Harrison Im convinced enough to have a proper go with them, the only difference is the egg and drying process so..........

dickocharlie
28-01-2010, 20:38
dynamite spicy shrimp and prawn also done well on the dt baits oily chicken.caught shed loads years ago on nash sting shelflife.

lyndon
28-01-2010, 20:47
[QUOTE=lyndon;1346229]I have to say in my experience it doesn't matter how any times you thaw and re-freeze. In fact I have caught on a mouldy bait before now. I really don't think fish are that fussy as to turn their noses up at a bait because its been re-frozen a few times. They do eat the most disgusting things such as blood worm I think they can stomach our bait if its re-frozen a few times.

Not having a pop at you fella but please dont use mouldy bait, as this can be DEADLY to the fish, i.e salmonella poisoning, e-coli ( think gone off eggs ) etc, they may eat what we consider disgusting stuff such as bloodworm, snails, and even there own faeces but they get away with it because there gut is naturally evolved to cope with the impurities/bacteria found in them as its always been in there enviroment unlike the dangerous bacteria formed on warm moist rotten eggs ( in the gone-off boil

Regards,
T.D

mouldy bait was found in the front of my mates van and was used as a hook bait as we had run out. The fish never got to swallow it as it was attached to a hook so no harm done. However I have seen fish eatting excreted bait in tanks can't see it doing that much harm.

LIP
28-01-2010, 20:59
can catch on the trickyest of waters where the foody baits have been over fed.
.

How do you over feed a "foody bait"and then expect to catch on a readymade semo highly flavoured over sweetened preservative laden bait with very very little or no nutritional value.I hazzard a guess that the pick ups are inquisitive rather than feeding.

LIP
28-01-2010, 21:02
[QUOTE=topdog78;1346332]

mouldy bait was found in the front of my mates van and was used as a hook bait as we had run out. The fish never got to swallow it as it was attached to a hook so no harm done. However I have seen fish eatting excreted bait in tanks can't see it doing that much harm.

Have used mouldy bait on many occaison and in some instances has totally outfished fresh freezer bait.It all helps with the digestion,give it a try its worth a few sessions on it.