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spence
13-10-2009, 11:37
Has anyone used one? After reading the reviews it seem's to be a combination of the D60 and D90? Can you interchange the lens, if i do get one i wanted to get a fixed 50mm lens for it if that is possible?

Having just had some pics done for me with an EOS and fixed lens the difference is phenomenal :confused: Couldnt believe the difference between my fuji and the digital SLR.....

All comments gratefully received....

Cheers
Spence

Lee S
13-10-2009, 19:03
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod1022.html

current best prices for the camera (kit price)

http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod132.html

and for the 50mm f1.8

Haven't used a 5000 but have owned a D60 & am currently using a D90 which i cannot fault for the money and absolutely love.

Controls seems a tad daunting at first as they are quite a few sub-menus to navigate vut once you get used to them they are a doddle.

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/index.php

is handy for info.

spence
14-10-2009, 10:21
Thanks fella, much appreciated :thumbs:

shane24
14-10-2009, 20:38
Has anyone used one? After reading the reviews it seem's to be a combination of the D60 and D90? Can you interchange the lens, if i do get one i wanted to get a fixed 50mm lens for it if that is possible?

Having just had some pics done for me with an EOS and fixed lens the difference is phenomenal :confused: Couldnt believe the difference between my fuji and the digital SLR.....

All comments gratefully received....

Cheers
Spence

Hi mate,

If you want to use the 50mm lens it will only work in Manual Focus on this body, the body will only work fully with the DX lens' which have the drive for Auto Focus built into them.
I am looking at upgrading my D50 at the moment and am leaning towards the D90 as i also have a 70-300mm lens which i use a lot.

spence
14-10-2009, 21:12
Hi Shane,

Yep, got a useful pm of Haitch today. Explained about that only a D90 & 300 series would work with AFS lens in. Would probably be able to afford 500 for a new piece of equipment but a D90 is over 600 and the cheapest nikon fixed 50mm lens was nearly 300 :eek: The 300 series was over a grand :eek: so as of this afternoon the Nikon was shelved... :cry:

Looks like a EOS 450D and a fixed 50mm canon instead which i could get for under 500 notes......

Cheers
Spence

Benny_the_bream
14-10-2009, 21:28
What about a sony A230 or A350 and 50mm 1.8 comes in under budget and has Stabilisation built in and when you want to upgrade lenses the Sony G and carl zeiss are absolutly brilliant also older minolta lenses are cheap on ebay and very good quality.
Send PM if you want more info and check out dynax digital forums

spence
14-10-2009, 21:47
What about a sony A230 or A350 and 50mm 1.8 comes in under budget and has Stabilisation built in and when you want to upgrade lenses the Sony G and carl zeiss are absolutly brilliant also older minolta lenses are cheap on ebay and very good quality.
Send PM if you want more info and check out dynax digital forums

Hi Ben,

What are the Sony's like? Ive asked a few people i know but cant get any info on them. The A230 is only just over 300, originally ive witnessed some phenomenal pics done with an EOS & 1.8 fixed 50, after reading on here i went down the Nikon route but as ive discovered above, lovely piece of kit but not what im after (or not in my price range) Will be tempted by a Sony if is is that good. What is the "live view" like? That was the only thing that worries me about the EOS, apparently it doesn't have a live panel? Now i wear glasses i just look through the panel rather than using the eye piece.

Help........

Mr_Bump
14-10-2009, 21:54
Hi Ben,

What are the Sony's like? Ive asked a few people i know but cant get any info on them. The A230 is only just over 300, originally ive witnessed some phenomenal pics done with an EOS & 1.8 fixed 50, after reading on here i went down the Nikon route but as ive discovered above, lovely piece of kit but not what im after (or not in my price range) Will be tempted by a Sony if is is that good. What is the "live view" like? That was the only thing that worries me about the EOS, apparently it doesn't have a live panel? Now i wear glasses i just look through the panel rather than using the eye piece.

Help........
The 450D you mentioned above does have live view, as does the newer 500D. The 400D and older models do not.

spence
14-10-2009, 22:01
Hi fella,

Yep, ive read the spec. Originally i wanted an EOS350 but was told it hasnt got a live view with the fixed 50. Is the EOS1000D a replacement for the 300D / 350D? It says on the spec in front of me that it has live view and a canon lens would be cheaper for me. Don't want to spend a another coulpe of hundred quid on a 450D if the new 1000D does the job????

Mr_Bump
14-10-2009, 22:03
If your not really "that" interested in photography, the 1000D and a nifty fifty will suit you perfectly.

Almost forgot about the 1000D to be honest but it ticks the boxes in your case quite nicely :)

spence
14-10-2009, 22:12
If your not really "that" interested in photography, the 1000D and a nifty fifty will suit you perfectly.

Almost forgot about the 1000D to be honest but it ticks the boxes in your case quite nicely :)


TBH im not that clued up on it although iv'e had a few standard EOS's iv'e just always used them on standard mode and never had the knowledge to play about with the modes so will probably be fine with the 1000 + 50.....

Thanks m8, think im sorted now :thumbs:

Lee S
15-10-2009, 08:59
the cheapest nikon fixed 50mm lens was nearly 300 :eek:

mate, the f1.8d 50mm Nikon prime sells around 100?

you sure you wern't looking at the F1.2 by mistake!

Benny_the_bream
15-10-2009, 17:54
I love mine mate very easy to use I think the newer ones have a manual built in which explains what all the modes and settings do while your doing it I have the A300 which dosnt have it but think the A350etc.. do the camera has stabilisation so any lens you buy is stabilised so you dont have to pay extra for that if you ever wanted a 70-300mm etc..
To be honest though if your just going to use it in full auto there are cheaper options if you get a DSLR you need to fiddle to get the best out of it.
The sony menu is very intuative.
The buttons are nicely set out and you dont have to search through hundreds of menus to find the settings you want.
Over on dynax there are a few proffessionals who have to use cannon and nikon in their work but choose the sonys for personnal use and pay for all their sony gear and dont get it through their business.
Go to jessops etc.. and have a play with one I bet you walk out with one.
Give me a while and I will post up a couple of shots I took with the 50mm 1.8 I bought on sunday.

Benny_the_bream
15-10-2009, 18:24
I have only taken about a dozen photos with this lens and very quickly at that just set to Apperture mode and clicked away easily acheivable by anyone
No post processing at all except a small crop on the second one

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC09047.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC09190.jpg

A few other pictures from the camera from various lenses old minolta and new sony 70-300's kit lens and tamron macros.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC08838.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC08875.jpg

Benny_the_bream
15-10-2009, 18:25
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC08159.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC08110.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC06239copy-1.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC07216.jpg

Benny_the_bream
15-10-2009, 18:27
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC07467.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/Benny_The_Bream/DSC06982.jpg

spence
15-10-2009, 19:14
Wow.......

Unbelievable Ben, haven't time to reply rite now. Will do tomorrow. Thanks again :thumbs:

spence
16-10-2009, 11:47
Hi Ben,
Apologies for not replying last night, had about a minutes free time. Must admit there are some awesome pictures there. Very tempted i must admit. I'm going into town tomorrow and am looking foreword to what i might find. I see you are using the A300. The reviews for the 230 don't look great whereas the reports for the 380 say that they haven't really improved on the 350?

I will have a look at the dynax website tomorrow. I just want to say a big thank you for taking the time hosting the pics to show what can be achieved :thumbs:

Best Regards
Spence

Shrop
16-10-2009, 11:50
Spence, the A230 is a cracking camera, i have it with the standard kit lens and a 70-300mm, can't fault it at the price. It may only be a budget SLR, but still a cracking piece of kit if you are just getting into Photography, like I am. Well worth looking at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FloN9DLqIMY

Benny_the_bream
16-10-2009, 21:09
No problems mate the 350 is the same as my 300 just a few more pixels so the 380 will be similar.
TBH it will do all you want and more only when you really get into it will you need an upgrade for example I have just bought a G lens circa 650 quid and looking at a few more around the 500 mark at which point I will want to upgrade my body the the A700 or its replacement.
The good thing about really good lenses is that they will last forever and once you have spent the money on glass its just a case of upgrading bodies as technology moves on.

spence
18-10-2009, 20:40
Went into town yesterday, saw a few camera's. Only in there for about 10 minutes and i got "the look" from the powers that be and the "Come on"....

Word of warning, NEVER take your missus camera shopping.... Will have to pop down in the week for a look on my own where i can spend as long as i want talking and playing with them :norty:

Cheers Shrop, top link, really enjoyed the review :thumbs:

Shrop
19-10-2009, 10:39
He seems a top bloke, really good informal, un-biased and honest reviews. To be honest, I'm now eyeing up the D5000 or the Canon 40D.

spence
19-10-2009, 11:07
He seems a top bloke, really good informal, un-biased and honest reviews. To be honest, I'm now eyeing up the D5000 or the Canon 40D.

Yes, definitely. I really liked the look of the D5000, it's just the Lens scenario. I just want to be able to used the Fixed 50 for all my shots and it wont auto focus with that model. Although the matey in the camera shop saturday told me it would, it says so on the website that it wont, but he wouldnt take no for an answer..... :bonk:

Shrop
19-10-2009, 11:32
lol... that'd be a nice combo, you can get the nifty 50's for about 100. Bargain.

Tiny
20-10-2009, 08:26
I am looking at upgrading my D50 at the moment and am leaning towards the D90 as i also have a 70-300mm lens which i use a lot.

Spence

if shane is looking at upgrading his nikon D50 i would seriously consider buying it off him... the D50 has great low light level capability and for a started DSLR with the 50mm f1.8 lense takes some cracking shots.


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/steven__morrison/sept%2009%20k1/31K1.jpg

depends if you just HAVE to have a new camera... but for me to start to learn about how to USE a camera rather than just point and shoot its a great bit of kit for the price you will pay for it...

Les_Paul
21-10-2009, 11:40
Yes, definitely. I really liked the look of the D5000, it's just the Lens scenario. I just want to be able to used the Fixed 50 for all my shots and it wont auto focus with that model. Although the matey in the camera shop saturday told me it would, it says so on the website that it wont, but he wouldnt take no for an answer..... :bonk:

It depends which lens he is reffering to. You would need the AFS version of the 50mm which is a F1.4 lightning fast optic can be seen here

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-nikon-50mm-f1-4-g-af-s-lens/p1028370

Benny_the_bream
21-10-2009, 17:30
Or go for the Sony and get this http://www.jessops.com/online.store/categories/products/Sony/50mm%20f1.8%20SAM%20Portrait%20Lens-76287/Show.html# jessops seem to have really good prices for sony lenses at the moment and are in most highstreets which is handy if you have readies burning a whole in your pocket.
My 70-300G was 160 quid cheaper than the next best price on the internet unbeleivable

spence
21-10-2009, 19:26
Spence

if shane is looking at upgrading his nikon D50 i would seriously consider buying it off him... the D50 has great low light level capability and for a started DSLR with the 50mm f1.8 lense takes some cracking shots.


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/steven__morrison/sept%2009%20k1/31K1.jpg

depends if you just HAVE to have a new camera... but for me to start to learn about how to USE a camera rather than just point and shoot its a great bit of kit for the price you will pay for it...

I'm still torn what to get, i don't really want a new one now. As it's been said, i just want to be able to play about with one and learn what i can do with it rather than shell out top dollar for something and it not be right or something i'm not happy with. As for having money to burn, im at the other end of the spectrum with empty pockets but can probably scrape enough together to get one. t's just a case that i have been using my Fuji S7000 for along time and thought it was fine.... Then saw what can be achieved with a proper camera......:o

Wouldnt be able to afford that nikon lens though Les, Benny's one is more my price range!!!

Benny_the_bream
22-10-2009, 18:37
http://www.dynaxdigital.com/index.php/topic,11168.0.html

spence
23-10-2009, 11:42
http://www.dynaxdigital.com/index.php/topic,11168.0.html

was quite tempted Ben, problem being though as i wear glasses i really need live view as i struggle looking through the eye piece, otherwise i would have inquired about getting it....

The A350 is the first model with it as far as im aware????

Keeping on looking though :thumbs:

Benny_the_bream
23-10-2009, 17:25
http://www.dynaxdigital.com/index.php/topic,11761.0.html

Shrop
23-10-2009, 19:10
was quite tempted Ben, problem being though as i wear glasses i really need live view as i struggle looking through the eye piece, otherwise i would have inquired about getting it....

The A350 is the first model with it as far as im aware????

Keeping on looking though :thumbs:

I'm sure that most of the newer generation Alpha's have live-view? I think you get a better grasp of compostion with a view-finder though. I wear glasses and don't have much trouble looking through the view-finder. The eye-piece however does tend to collect any sweat from your brow etc. so you do find yourself cleaning your glasses more often, however, I'm sure its the same on any camera you buy that uses a single view finder with no live-view.

spence
25-10-2009, 19:39
http://www.dynaxdigital.com/index.php/topic,11761.0.html

Thank you as always Ben. Did a search when i joined the forum. Unfortunately, it had expired on ebay.... If i was gonna pick up a second hand model, didnt want to be shelling out that much. If i was gonna pay 300+ i would rather go the extra and buy new.

The 230 doesnt have live view shrop, i think it is the 350 on the new models which is the first to have it. Looks a quality camera though. Have spent most nights on you-tube going through the camera-labs reviews on most of the dslr's on the market. I must admit i had to take some pics for a mate a couple of weeks ago, found it a nightmare trying to look through the view-finder tying to take the shots. Has been probably years since ive had to do it and didnt enjoy it one bit so live-view is a definate YES! ;)

Benny_the_bream
25-10-2009, 23:30
I just cant get on with live view for some reason I have probaly taken a dozen shots with it out of 15'000

spence
28-10-2009, 22:15
Ur be pleased Ben, probably going to get a second hand A300 in the morning :thumbs:

Benny_the_bream
29-10-2009, 00:12
Good choice do you want to buy some lenses?

spence
02-11-2009, 10:43
Or go for the Sony and get this http://www.jessops.com/online.store/categories/products/Sony/50mm%20f1.8%20SAM%20Portrait%20Lens-76287/Show.html# jessops seem to have really good prices for sony lenses at the moment and are in most highstreets which is handy if you have readies burning a whole in your pocket.

Is this a decent Lens Ben? will probably get one if it is good?

Shrop
02-11-2009, 19:07
I'm getting the f/1.4 50mm, its a little more than the f/1.8, but its much sharper and worth the extra dosh, from the example shots I've seen that is. Search the lens on flickr for example shots.... :thumbs:

Benny_the_bream
02-11-2009, 20:06
thats the one I have not quite as fast as the 1.4 it has a plastic mount rather than metal but it does have a focus motor not brilliantly sharp wide oprn but sharp once stopprd down a bit check out random carpy photos where I did a self take of a common with it this weekend.
There is also the minolta 50mm 1.7 which there are loads on ebay the prices should be coming down a bit now this one is out about 70 quid should be about right.

spence
04-11-2009, 09:06
I'm getting the f/1.4 50mm, its a little more than the f/1.8, but its much sharper and worth the extra dosh, from the example shots I've seen that is. Search the lens on flickr for example shots.... :thumbs:

Cheers shrop / Ben.

Shrop, what's the cheapest you have found for the 1.4? It's looking like 250 ish which is way out of my price range. I have ordered the 1.8 from jessops but is out of stock so could cancel it. More likely to pick up a minolta.

There seems to be 2 kinds of minolta on ebay, some for dslr, some not. What's the difference?????

Lee S
04-11-2009, 11:29
I'm getting the f/1.4 50mm, its a little more than the f/1.8, but its much sharper and worth the extra dosh, from the example shots I've seen that is. Search the lens on flickr for example shots.... :thumbs:

A little more?!?!??? wtf

Nikon 1.8 50 = 100 Vs 1.4 50 = 213

Canon 1.8 50 = 80/85 Vs 1.4 50 = 280

mate that's a tad more than a little i'd say!! TBH i think you'd be hard pushed to see the "extra" cost of the 1.4 lens?

Anyways, for trophy shots on a crop sensor what you really need is a 35mm Prime, go grab the 1.4 version of that it's only a little more....


http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod80.html

Shrop
04-11-2009, 11:32
Some lenses are for SLRs, but some are for the old 35mm non digi- film SLR cameras... and looking at the f/1.4, you're talking around 260 cheapest, but apparently is a very, very fast lens...

spence
04-11-2009, 12:12
A little more?!?!??? wtf

Nikon 1.8 50 = 100 Vs 1.4 50 = 213

Canon 1.8 50 = 80/85 Vs 1.4 50 = 280

mate that's a tad more than a little i'd say!! TBH i think you'd be hard pushed to see the "extra" cost of the 1.4 lens?

Anyways, for trophy shots on a crop sensor what you really need is a 35mm Prime, go grab the 1.4 version of that it's only a little more....


http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod80.html

:lol: Nice lens Les, i'll sell my motor and i'll be able to afford it. Just wont be able to got to wherever im angling because i wont have wheels..... :eek:

spence
04-11-2009, 12:14
Some lenses are for SLRs, but some are for the old 35mm non digi- film SLR cameras... and looking at the f/1.4, you're talking around 260 cheapest, but apparently is a very, very fast lens...

Ahh, that's why, thought as much but thought there's no harm in asking!

Looks like it's a minolta or the 1.8 sony then ;)

Lee S
04-11-2009, 12:17
yeah, think Shrop has more money than he lets on if almost twice or double the price of a 1.8 is only a little more eh!

but in fairness, if you could as he has said (i think thats what he's on a bout anyways) get an old 35mm prime that would work on your body (ok so it may not AF) that could be a cheap option for you?

P.s Shrop i think what you meant to say was that the lenses are all for Slr's ;)

personally i think a 70 or 80 1.8 will do you just fine Spence. Best bang per buck lens you can buy.

Shrop
04-11-2009, 12:27
The Sony f1.8 looks plasticy... (as in the build quality), but you gets what yous pays fors. I doubt the Canon or Nikorr equivalent model aren't much better for the price.

Lee S
04-11-2009, 13:30
your right Shrop, all the cheap 1.8's pretty much look the same build wise, but for the price you can't really expect much more as all the moneys spent on the glass.

Benny_the_bream
04-11-2009, 17:33
Just make sure its go AF written on it and it will work the older MD MC etc will only fit with a converter and are manual focus only the 1.8 is very good for the money you wont be dissapointed

spence
05-11-2009, 13:35
Just make sure its go AF written on it and it will work the older MD MC etc will only fit with a converter and are manual focus only the 1.8 is very good for the money you wont be dissapointed

What's that, the Sony Ben? Still got in on back order at Jessops, with the cash back i can get it for 109. Im watching a few minolta's at the mo on ebay too....... If you had to choose, which would you get??

Benny_the_bream
05-11-2009, 17:34
I have not tried the minolta but they were standard kit before the sony 1.8 I opted for the sony because of the Smooth aotfocus motor instead of the screw drive and if it was bad copy ie not sharp I could send it back whereas if you buy a bad copy of the minolta you have to resell it and buy another

Les_Paul
06-11-2009, 09:06
yeah, think Shrop has more money than he lets on if almost twice or double the price of a 1.8 is only a little more eh!

but in fairness, if you could as he has said (i think thats what he's on a bout anyways) get an old 35mm prime that would work on your body (ok so it may not AF) that could be a cheap option for you?

P.s Shrop i think what you meant to say was that the lenses are all for Slr's ;)

personally i think a 70 or 80 1.8 will do you just fine Spence. Best bang per buck lens you can buy.

That Nikkor 1.4 is a lot more money but the lens is a lot faster than the 1.8, not to say the 1.8 is not exactly a slouch even in the AF D version. What is more an issue is the increased chromatic abberation the 1.4 can suffer from and also is more prone to flare. Finally at 1.4 the DOF is shallow thin and unless you have a lot of time to compose then expect a lot of out of focus shots. Even the 1.8 at 1.8 has a very narrow DOF and takes a lot of practice to nail a shot with the focus where you need it. For example at 1.4 or 1.8 you could gain critical focus on a fishes eye ( going to be extremely difficult on a self take ) but the rest of the image will be blurred by the shallow DOF.

These small primes perform best at F4 and above reaching almost perfection at F8. That of course means less light, negating the need for fast. always a trade off.

I do find the Nikkor 50mm F1.8 to be a superb portrait lens, but for fishing I would pack the 35mm 1.8 for the wider view and near excellent IQ

Lee S
06-11-2009, 15:48
I do find the Nikkor 50mm F1.8 to be a superb portrait lens, but for fishing I would pack the 35mm 1.8 for the wider view and near excellent IQ


Same here Re: the fifty Les, think a 35mm prime is next on my list. Although i've been using my 11-16mm F2.8 Tokina a bit more of late which produces some lovely results.

Although the only problem i find when using it is that in the hands of a random they never quite appreciate just how close to your subject you can get! :rolleyes:

Tim_Kelly
06-11-2009, 18:13
A 1.4 lens is only about 1/2 a stop faster than a 1.8. Not really much in photographic terms, especially with digi photography where if you changed your iso to 160 from 100 you'd be able to shoot a 1/6 of a stop quicker anyway with no real noticeable loss of quality.

spence
12-11-2009, 10:47
Went for the Sony 50mm 1.8f in the end, should i be using a filter for it and if so which one would you recommend?

Cheers
Spence

Benny_the_bream
12-11-2009, 17:20
Its a good idea with all lenses just for protection although that on that lens the front element is a fair way back the hoya pro 1 D or Hoya HD (very strong) are good also you may like a polariser for it.
Or just buy a set for your kit lens which is 55mm and get a cheap stepping ring off ebay to convert your 49mm to 55mm and use just the one set which is what I do when I need a polariser on it.

Les_Paul
13-11-2009, 01:45
Agree with Benny, a Hoya pro digital clear filter will give you protection, I use these on all of my lenses. For every person who uses a protection filter there is another who says you should not for a myriad of reasons like the IQ being affected.

Have to say I have yet to see any evidence of issues with filters but I have had 2 lenses accidentally kicked by kids!