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G_RAAAA
20-11-2002, 12:26
following on from a post i launched up about the pads..the same question applies about sandy and south, how do they fish in winter ? would it be worthwhile to do a 3 day session on either ?
Cheers
G

Smarts
20-11-2002, 12:33
G, I understand that the South produces through winter.....but last year Sandhurst shut up shop. Now that is more than likely because no-one was fishing it so no bait was going in after Chilly left.
With the extra stock, and a constant flow of anglers, I would expect Sandy to be an excellent winter water.

Nerys
20-11-2002, 13:28
Smarts.... we wish!!!!

Not been fishing consistantly these last few weeks, the odd one out here and there, but nothing much... little showing either, though the water is clearing now..

Last weekend, there was a 24 to Bidders as he packed up Fri night and a 20 common to Ian Johnson sunday mid morning... other than that... a double to the lads on the bailiffs....Butch lost one in the weed and one from a hook pull... and zilch everywhere else... maybe 9 or 10 anglers on all weekend...

although I have now caught my first pike..... which was nice - and I was fishing for them too, so not an 'accidental' capture...

People were fishing it last winter....even after chilly had pulled off.... I wouldn't expect more anglers this winter then last, we haven't been that busy all year.... at least last winter we had regular anglers on regular spots

There has been little bait put in this year, and most of this fish seem to have been feeding on naturals... they had a brief autumn flurry just before the gales of the other week... since then hardly a sign of them....

Have they eaten so much naturals that they have learnt not to rely on the inconsistant amounts of bait a day ticket water sees???? In this case, have they filled up on naturals already.. in which case we won't be seeing much eating of 'introduced' food items over the next month....

there are a lot of fish in there, but there has been an enormous amount of weed too (please please please don't treat it next spring) the fish, if not the anglers, are happy as larry in all that, when they do come out, they look stunning, cracking condition, sizes and proportions of weight to body size all look good..

I would really really like to be wrong, but I don't think Sandy will fish that well this winter (sorry Ian&Viv) I don't think it will completely switch off either, but there has to be a time where both the fish and the lake settle..

Look at all that has been done to this venue.... even before the Road went in, there was a large amount of upheval with building of the industrial estate... since then, they've scalped the paths allmost allround, created new swims, dug others out. Opened up the Island swim, put in the new road, put in literally 100's of fish....

then every damn fish in the lake spawned again, and again, and again.... over 11 weeks according to the bailiff book I have... busy bunnies our boys and girls..

then we opened as day ticket, the regular spots weren't fished, the bait was not going in like it had previously, the weed took over, the fish thought they were in heaven.....

On average, from speaking to people about known and repeat captures, I would guess the fish to be down in weight overall throughout the lake in comparison to this time last year. I know Chilly put an incredible amount of NRG in - but even he can't feed 300+ carp... A 28 i pictured for him went 24 next we saw it... the big commons are 'supposed' to be around the 26 mark at present... Other than Tyson, the best I've seen or heard of since it opened DT have been 26's... and since it opened for DT, Dave and I have been on that lake almost everyday ( lovin' it of course)

I think in time Sandy will become a better winter venue, but early indications for this year are not telling us that it will happen this winter (more's the pity seeing as by the next one I may be in France)

Sandhurst is at the stage where it has all the ingredients of an stunning venue... I think all it needs now is the time to settle down, consolidate, and then move forward..

We'll still be there this winter though.... even if the fish aren't playing ball, we'll no doubt still be there.... discovered a 20lb+ pike's lair the other morning... so we'll be 'aving a pop at that too......

Nerys
20-11-2002, 13:31
but then I post it twice too.....
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Doh....

G_RAAAA
20-11-2002, 13:36
Nice one smarts, cant see how a little lake with 500 ?? carp in it would just turn off, bet fish will come out all winter, cheers for ya input but it looks like it wont be needed as the pads is without doubt the numero uno option.

G

Lewis
20-11-2002, 13:55
Nelly

Fish in nearly every lake switch onto naturals fopr a spell about now - they have been bubbling big style on the CP - but no captures from them spots - Sandy will fish its nuts off to some lucky punter - probably someone with a slightly different approach as well..

Has the lake seen loadssa particles this year.....doesnt help the weights....easily comparable with many other watyers this year - with lowish weights......mmmmm - if they are low due tothat then you know what they want - give it to em - them boilies they love sooooo much...http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

KLewless

Nerys
20-11-2002, 14:30
Been weird this summer Lewis, not that much bait of any description going in... parti or otherwise..

we had 40 swans on there earlier in the year, they kept the weed trimed back, but demolished any bait that went in,

No-one apart from the bailiff's have fished it that regularly this year, we do get semi-regualrs, but they tend to come down once, maybe twice a month if that... not several times a week (or day) like you guys on the other side

The carp seem to have been on naturals the entire time, not just moved onto them now...although there have been boille captures all year.. as well you know http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I've tried light baiting and heavier baiting, spodding, catapulting and even borrowing someones <font color="purple"> boat </font color> *shudder* tried boillies, particles, ground baiting, pellets... so what else should I try?

I have a secret squirrel tip for a parti additive, but they just don't seem to be eating enough of it before the birds get there to make a difference...

a slightly different approach.... like what???? honestly curious... you know how long I have been doing this, and I'm well aware of the amount I still have to learn.... but what counts as 'slightly different' ?????

Actually, I need to PM you anyway.... i have a pressing need for a conversation about stockings..... http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Takedown
20-11-2002, 14:34
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i have a pressing need for a conversation about stockings

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Lewis, don't believe her they're realy pop-sox! AAAARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

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By the way young lady - that's called entrapment! http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Cash
20-11-2002, 14:39
Its not cold enough yet, naturals are still around.
Last winter (late December &amp; January) i caught each overnight trip. Just find them and they will feed.
They shoal up big time, and do move about.
When its at its coldest the area last year was along the Nursery bank, deeper water!
When the suns up and the days are warmer they do shoal up on the plateux, out in the middle of the pond.
Well worth a visit.
Cash

RAFLEE
20-11-2002, 15:15
personally i would give it to them every other night...i mean at least a bucket or two of partiblend/hemp/groats in a couple of spots and fish maize over the top when down there...ALWAYS works in Winter....ALWAYS....

Nerys
20-11-2002, 15:23
Cash - they've been on the platau spot all year round...... and up and down the central gravel run there is on and off it!!!
the platau is not so much a winter spot at the moment, more of a spot where the fish head if anything is going on... anglers, inclement weather etc etc.. the platau spot is great if you can a) cast 100+ yards or b) own a bait boat... as long as you don't get everyone trying for the same spot (had chilly and Ian in competition for the same spot on sunday... one fishing from the ISLAND the other from the CAR PARK) and you could of also hit there from the pipes, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11...

Even though you haven't really fished it THIS season, you must admit the lake is fishing differently to how it did LAST season -
last years results may have been people fishing off the back of the work chilly put in afterall....

No-one else who is down there regularly seems to think the lake is behaving at all similarly to last year.... everything from the water condition, to the head of stock, to the pattern of angling on there, to the banks enclosing the lake has changed from this time last year to now....

we cannot predict from last years results, what the lake will do this year on a seasonal basis.... it needs to settle down before ANY established patterns form enough to be recognisable, or even slightly predictable...

I'm sure enough that neither of those original (i.e. the old lake record and running mate) commons will come out at 30 before next spawning season, so sure that if they do, I'll run round the lake backwards in a real tree bikini at midnight on the 15th June 2003..... http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

****Tis not entrapment Sir TD...... merely a method by which I may manage to catch something out the pads..(not someone) ****

OneToner
25-11-2002, 16:18
Nerys,

If my (somewhat useless) memory serves me correctly, There have only been a handful of anglers on Sandhurst for the last couple of years, Bidders, Butch and the like. I can't imagine Sandy fishing poorly through this winter, there are just loads of fish in there and would imagine even with all that weed, the carp and birds would make light work of the naturals and need to supplement their diet with anglers freebies (this may be why some of the weights have dropped).

As for the weed, the problem is that RMC have created a 'runs' water for anglers wishing to pay their money and catch the carp in quantities. Day ticket anglers don't want to go to a lake where they can't find a spot to fish as the clear spots can be hard to find - couple this with the fact that a percentage of day ticket anglers (not all I might add) will be inexperienced with inapropriate tackle to deal with this situation. I'm not saying in my 'ideal' world the weed should be treated, but to promote the venue by anglers word of mouth, if the weed was thinned out, you'd have a rammed lake week in, week out. I also understand that the South Lake took a while to build a reputation and get busy.

Bang some little round balls of fun out there and fill your boots before you [censored] of to france.

Aurevoir